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Re: Bodiless Spirits Exist. Why Can't God be Bodiless?

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Hill Top wrote:
Sun Apr 10, 2022 10:42 pm
patrissimo wrote:
Sun Apr 10, 2022 9:18 pm
The earth is at the center of mass of the universe and so its size doesn't matter. Newton understood this.
If you were at any other point in the universe besides earth, the red shift would be the same as it is here.
We would be flying away from them just as they are flying away from us.
Does that make them all centers of their universe?
Everything in the universe is flying apart equally from one another.
There is no empirical evidence for that. That is why Stephen Hawking said he accepted that out of modesty. That is an ad hoc theory to save Copernicanism. The world dreads admitting the Church was right against Galileo (who later repented).


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Re: Bodiless Spirits Exist. Why Can't God be Bodiless?

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patrissimo wrote:
Sun Apr 10, 2022 10:47 pm
Hill Top wrote:
Sun Apr 10, 2022 10:42 pm
patrissimo wrote:
Sun Apr 10, 2022 9:18 pm
The earth is at the center of mass of the universe and so its size doesn't matter. Newton understood this.
If you were at any other point in the universe besides earth, the red shift would be the same as it is here.
We would be flying away from them just as they are flying away from us.
Does that make them all centers of their universe?
Everything in the universe is flying apart equally from one another.
There is no empirical evidence for that. That is why Stephen Hawking said he accepted that out of modesty. That is an ad hoc theory to save Copernicanism. The world dreads admitting the Church was right against Galileo (who later repented).
If they are actually moving away from us, then we would be moving away from them at the same speed.
And who cares anyway?
It has no influence on my life in Christ.



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Re: Bodiless Spirits Exist. Why Can't God be Bodiless?

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Hill Top wrote:
Mon Apr 11, 2022 2:30 pm
patrissimo wrote:
Sun Apr 10, 2022 10:47 pm
Hill Top wrote:
Sun Apr 10, 2022 10:42 pm
patrissimo wrote:
Sun Apr 10, 2022 9:18 pm
The earth is at the center of mass of the universe and so its size doesn't matter. Newton understood this.
If you were at any other point in the universe besides earth, the red shift would be the same as it is here.
We would be flying away from them just as they are flying away from us.
Does that make them all centers of their universe?
Everything in the universe is flying apart equally from one another.
There is no empirical evidence for that. That is why Stephen Hawking said he accepted that out of modesty. That is an ad hoc theory to save Copernicanism. The world dreads admitting the Church was right against Galileo (who later repented).
If they are actually moving away from us, then we would be moving away from them at the same speed.
And who cares anyway?
It has no influence on my life in Christ.
It matters very much to the world which uses this to justify rejecting anything Biblical or Christian - esp. when it comes to sexual immorality. If the Church was wrong about geocentrism, then she could be wrong about "thou shalt not commit adultery, etc. This is far more important than you realize.


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Re: Bodiless Spirits Exist. Why Can't God be Bodiless?

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patrissimo wrote:
Mon Apr 11, 2022 2:34 pm
Hill Top wrote:
Mon Apr 11, 2022 2:30 pm
patrissimo wrote:
Sun Apr 10, 2022 10:47 pm
Hill Top wrote:
Sun Apr 10, 2022 10:42 pm
patrissimo wrote:
Sun Apr 10, 2022 9:18 pm
The earth is at the center of mass of the universe and so its size doesn't matter. Newton understood this.
If you were at any other point in the universe besides earth, the red shift would be the same as it is here.
We would be flying away from them just as they are flying away from us.
Does that make them all centers of their universe?
Everything in the universe is flying apart equally from one another.
There is no empirical evidence for that. That is why Stephen Hawking said he accepted that out of modesty. That is an ad hoc theory to save Copernicanism. The world dreads admitting the Church was right against Galileo (who later repented).
If they are actually moving away from us, then we would be moving away from them at the same speed.
And who cares anyway?
It has no influence on my life in Christ.
It matters very much to the world which uses this to justify rejecting anything Biblical or Christian - esp. when it comes to sexual immorality. If the Church was wrong about geocentrism, then she could be wrong about "thou shalt not commit adultery, etc. This is far more important than you realize.
Perhaps what you consider the "church" isn't really THE church.



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Re: Bodiless Spirits Exist. Why Can't God be Bodiless?

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Hill Top wrote:
Mon Apr 11, 2022 10:22 pm
patrissimo wrote:
Mon Apr 11, 2022 2:34 pm
Hill Top wrote:
Mon Apr 11, 2022 2:30 pm
patrissimo wrote:
Sun Apr 10, 2022 10:47 pm
Hill Top wrote:
Sun Apr 10, 2022 10:42 pm
patrissimo wrote:
Sun Apr 10, 2022 9:18 pm
The earth is at the center of mass of the universe and so its size doesn't matter. Newton understood this.
If you were at any other point in the universe besides earth, the red shift would be the same as it is here.
We would be flying away from them just as they are flying away from us.
Does that make them all centers of their universe?
Everything in the universe is flying apart equally from one another.
There is no empirical evidence for that. That is why Stephen Hawking said he accepted that out of modesty. That is an ad hoc theory to save Copernicanism. The world dreads admitting the Church was right against Galileo (who later repented).
If they are actually moving away from us, then we would be moving away from them at the same speed.
And who cares anyway?
It has no influence on my life in Christ.
It matters very much to the world which uses this to justify rejecting anything Biblical or Christian - esp. when it comes to sexual immorality. If the Church was wrong about geocentrism, then she could be wrong about "thou shalt not commit adultery, etc. This is far more important than you realize.
Perhaps what you consider the "church" isn't really THE church.
Great point. Often the world is equated with the Church and we know the Church is His body and there is NO schism or darkness in His body. Of course non-fundamental topics of debate do not factor in as they are irrelevant for the most part unless they are build on deceiving the saints, but certain biblical things do matter such as denying that Jesus rose from the dead.


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Re: Bodiless Spirits Exist. Why Can't God be Bodiless?

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luchnia wrote:
Tue Apr 12, 2022 7:01 am
Hill Top wrote:
Mon Apr 11, 2022 10:22 pm
patrissimo wrote:
Mon Apr 11, 2022 2:34 pm
Hill Top wrote:
Mon Apr 11, 2022 2:30 pm
patrissimo wrote:
Sun Apr 10, 2022 10:47 pm
Hill Top wrote:
Sun Apr 10, 2022 10:42 pm
patrissimo wrote:
Sun Apr 10, 2022 9:18 pm
The earth is at the center of mass of the universe and so its size doesn't matter. Newton understood this.
If you were at any other point in the universe besides earth, the red shift would be the same as it is here.
We would be flying away from them just as they are flying away from us.
Does that make them all centers of their universe?
Everything in the universe is flying apart equally from one another.
There is no empirical evidence for that. That is why Stephen Hawking said he accepted that out of modesty. That is an ad hoc theory to save Copernicanism. The world dreads admitting the Church was right against Galileo (who later repented).
If they are actually moving away from us, then we would be moving away from them at the same speed.
And who cares anyway?
It has no influence on my life in Christ.
It matters very much to the world which uses this to justify rejecting anything Biblical or Christian - esp. when it comes to sexual immorality. If the Church was wrong about geocentrism, then she could be wrong about "thou shalt not commit adultery, etc. This is far more important than you realize.
Perhaps what you consider the "church" isn't really THE church.
Great point. Often the world is equated with the Church and we know the Church is His body and there is NO schism or darkness in His body. Of course non-fundamental topics of debate do not factor in as they are irrelevant for the most part unless they are build on deceiving the saints, but certain biblical things do matter such as denying that Jesus rose from the dead.
Who decides what are and what are not non-fundamental topics? I see a lack of agreement even here.


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Re: Bodiless Spirits Exist. Why Can't God be Bodiless?

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luchnia wrote:
Tue Apr 12, 2022 7:01 am
Hill Top wrote:
Mon Apr 11, 2022 10:22 pm
patrissimo wrote:
Mon Apr 11, 2022 2:34 pm
Hill Top wrote:
Mon Apr 11, 2022 2:30 pm
patrissimo wrote:
Sun Apr 10, 2022 10:47 pm
Hill Top wrote:
Sun Apr 10, 2022 10:42 pm
patrissimo wrote:
Sun Apr 10, 2022 9:18 pm
The earth is at the center of mass of the universe and so its size doesn't matter. Newton understood this.
If you were at any other point in the universe besides earth, the red shift would be the same as it is here.
We would be flying away from them just as they are flying away from us.
Does that make them all centers of their universe?
Everything in the universe is flying apart equally from one another.
There is no empirical evidence for that. That is why Stephen Hawking said he accepted that out of modesty. That is an ad hoc theory to save Copernicanism. The world dreads admitting the Church was right against Galileo (who later repented).
If they are actually moving away from us, then we would be moving away from them at the same speed.
And who cares anyway?
It has no influence on my life in Christ.
It matters very much to the world which uses this to justify rejecting anything Biblical or Christian - esp. when it comes to sexual immorality. If the Church was wrong about geocentrism, then she could be wrong about "thou shalt not commit adultery, etc. This is far more important than you realize.
Perhaps what you consider the "church" isn't really THE church.
Great point. Often the world is equated with the Church
Can't say I agree, as it seems more frequently I see the world as the antithesis of the church
and we know the Church is His body and there is NO schism or darkness in His body.
I am glad you do see that fact.
Of course non-fundamental topics of debate do not factor in as they are irrelevant for the most part unless they are build on deceiving the saints, but certain biblical things do matter such as denying that Jesus rose from the dead.
Do you consider the ability to live without sin non-fundamental?



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Re: Bodiless Spirits Exist. Why Can't God be Bodiless?

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Hill Top wrote:
Tue Apr 12, 2022 3:33 pm
Do you consider the ability to live without sin non-fundamental?
Nope, in my view one must live without sin to inherit eternal life. The sinner is yielded to the evil one.


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Re: Bodiless Spirits Exist. Why Can't God be Bodiless?

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luchnia wrote:
Tue Apr 12, 2022 4:00 pm
Hill Top wrote:
Tue Apr 12, 2022 3:33 pm
Do you consider the ability to live without sin non-fundamental?
Nope, in my view one must live without sin to inherit eternal life. The sinner is yielded to the evil one.
That is a good belief.
Thank God for the death of the old man and its replacement by a new man.



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Re: Bodiless Spirits Exist. Why Can't God be Bodiless?

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luchnia wrote:
Mon Apr 04, 2022 6:02 pm
patrissimo wrote:
Sun Dec 12, 2021 3:13 pm
If it's possible for bodiless spirits to exist, then why can't God be a bodiless spirit?
Maybe in a new age euphoric belief system, but not according to God's word. Why change God to some bodiless nothingness? What would that gain? Man is made in God's image and is man bodiless?
What is a "euphoric" belief system?


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