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Re: Undeniable proof that Paul's writings were the Word of God!

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bibleman wrote:
Mon Oct 04, 2021 7:03 pm

Well if he wrote a letter to the Roman government asking for an exception, for his chariot tag license for being tax exempt...
I don't guess that was Scripture.

But I don't think Paul was talking about his tax exemption when he wrote the following:

1 Thessalonians 2:13 For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.

Galatians 1:12 For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but it came through the revelation of Jesus Christ.
So, do you believe your sermon on Sunday contains the Word of God? Realistically, could one say something very similar to the above passages about your sermons? Or are your messages purely received from man, lacking the power of the Holy Spirit to transform peoples hearts and minds? Is nothing you say from a revelation that God gave you about His Word? Do you not give people the word of God which effectually works within them?

Please tell us?

And if you do preach with power, and a word received from God, not man, that works within the hearts of people to effectively transform them that believe. Then do you claim your teaching is equal to Holy Scripture?

Please tell us?



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Re: Undeniable proof that Paul's writings were the Word of God!

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Grandfather wrote:
Mon Oct 04, 2021 7:42 pm
bibleman wrote:
Mon Oct 04, 2021 7:03 pm

Well if he wrote a letter to the Roman government asking for an exception, for his chariot tag license for being tax exempt...
I don't guess that was Scripture.

But I don't think Paul was talking about his tax exemption when he wrote the following:

1 Thessalonians 2:13 For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.

Galatians 1:12 For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but it came through the revelation of Jesus Christ.
So, do you believe your sermon on Sunday contains the Word of God? Realistically, could one say something very similar to the above passages about your sermons? Or are your messages purely received from man, lacking the power of the Holy Spirit to transform peoples hearts and minds? Is nothing you say from a revelation that God gave you about His Word? Do you not give people the word of God which effectually works within them?

Please tell us?

And if you do preach with power, and a word received from God, not man, that works within the hearts of people to effectively transform them that believe. Then do you claim your teaching is equal to Holy Scripture?

Please tell us?
Well I preach Paul's revelation, so I guess you would say I am preaching the Word of God... Right?


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Re: Undeniable proof that Paul's writings were the Word of God!

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bibleman wrote:
Mon Oct 04, 2021 7:03 pm
Grandfather wrote:
Mon Oct 04, 2021 6:31 pm
bibleman wrote:
Mon Oct 04, 2021 3:13 pm
Grandfather wrote:
Mon Oct 04, 2021 2:55 pm
bibleman wrote:
Mon Oct 04, 2021 10:04 am
Grandfather wrote:
Mon Oct 04, 2021 6:21 am
bibleman wrote:
Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:32 am
Here is what it says:

I agree with it.

1 Thessalonians 2:13 For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.

Galatians 1:12 For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but it came through the revelation of Jesus Christ.

That is what I believe... wish you did too!
Yes that is what it says. I’m not questioning that. But it doesn’t say that Paul recognized he was writing scripture as he penned these letters. Show that it plain text and simple reading! You haven’t. You have interpreted theses passages to mean that, but they don’t say that in plan unbiased reading.
Show me the interpretation?

1 Thessalonians 2:13 For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.

Galatians 1:12 For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but it came through the revelation of Jesus Christ.
Where do these passage say “ my letters are the same as the Holy Scripture”? You are interpreting them to convey that message. But where does it plainly say that? It doesn’t.
READ it and you will see.

1 Thessalonians 2:13 For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.

Galatians 1:12 For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but it came through the revelation of Jesus Christ.
I have read it, and re-read it, several times. No where does it say, all of what I am writing Holy Scripture. Sure, parts of what he wrote are from God, just like parts of what you preach on Sunday are from God. But I hope you do not equate your Sunday messages to being the same as scripture.

So, again, where does he say ALL of what he wrote he understood to be equal to Holy Scripture AT THE TIME HE WAS WRITING IT.
Well if he wrote a letter to the Roman government asking for an exception, for his chariot tag license for being tax exempt...
I don't guess that was Scripture.

But I don't think Paul was talking about his tax exemption when he wrote the following:

1 Thessalonians 2:13 For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.

Galatians 1:12 For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but it came through the revelation of Jesus Christ.
Where do the OT scriptures say they are "holy scriptures"?
Isn't the proof that they are of God the fruit they bring forth?



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Re: Undeniable proof that Paul's writings were the Word of God!

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bibleman wrote:
Mon Oct 04, 2021 9:41 pm
Grandfather wrote:
Mon Oct 04, 2021 7:42 pm
bibleman wrote:
Mon Oct 04, 2021 7:03 pm

Well if he wrote a letter to the Roman government asking for an exception, for his chariot tag license for being tax exempt...
I don't guess that was Scripture.

But I don't think Paul was talking about his tax exemption when he wrote the following:

1 Thessalonians 2:13 For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.

Galatians 1:12 For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but it came through the revelation of Jesus Christ.
So, do you believe your sermon on Sunday contains the Word of God? Realistically, could one say something very similar to the above passages about your sermons? Or are your messages purely received from man, lacking the power of the Holy Spirit to transform peoples hearts and minds? Is nothing you say from a revelation that God gave you about His Word? Do you not give people the word of God which effectually works within them?

Please tell us?

And if you do preach with power, and a word received from God, not man, that works within the hearts of people to effectively transform them that believe. Then do you claim your teaching is equal to Holy Scripture?

Please tell us?
Well I preach Paul's revelation, so I guess you would say I am preaching the Word of God... Right?
I won’t say anything. I asked you to identify your preaching. Is with with revelation, the Word of God and power to transform? Or is it the powerless word of man and may hold optimism but nothing more? It’s one or the other. What are you afraid of?



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Re: Undeniable proof that Paul's writings were the Word of God!

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Hill Top wrote:
Mon Oct 04, 2021 9:56 pm
Where do the OT scriptures say they are "holy scriptures"?
Isn't the proof that they are of God the fruit they bring forth?
Jesus referred to “scripture” many times as recorded in the gospel. A simply understanding of the Jewish tradition would show that they views the “scripture” as holy.



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Re: Undeniable proof that Paul's writings were the Word of God!

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Grandfather wrote:
Mon Oct 04, 2021 10:07 pm
bibleman wrote:
Mon Oct 04, 2021 9:41 pm
Grandfather wrote:
Mon Oct 04, 2021 7:42 pm
bibleman wrote:
Mon Oct 04, 2021 7:03 pm

Well if he wrote a letter to the Roman government asking for an exception, for his chariot tag license for being tax exempt...
I don't guess that was Scripture.

But I don't think Paul was talking about his tax exemption when he wrote the following:

1 Thessalonians 2:13 For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.

Galatians 1:12 For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but it came through the revelation of Jesus Christ.
So, do you believe your sermon on Sunday contains the Word of God? Realistically, could one say something very similar to the above passages about your sermons? Or are your messages purely received from man, lacking the power of the Holy Spirit to transform peoples hearts and minds? Is nothing you say from a revelation that God gave you about His Word? Do you not give people the word of God which effectually works within them?

Please tell us?

And if you do preach with power, and a word received from God, not man, that works within the hearts of people to effectively transform them that believe. Then do you claim your teaching is equal to Holy Scripture?

Please tell us?
Well I preach Paul's revelation, so I guess you would say I am preaching the Word of God... Right?
I won’t say anything. I asked you to identify your preaching. Is with with revelation, the Word of God and power to transform? Or is it the powerless word of man and may hold optimism but nothing more? It’s one or the other. What are you afraid of?
I preach Paul’s revelation, so yes I preach the Word of God!


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Re: Undeniable proof that Paul's writings were the Word of God!

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bibleman wrote:
Mon Oct 04, 2021 10:13 pm
Grandfather wrote:
Mon Oct 04, 2021 10:07 pm
bibleman wrote:
Mon Oct 04, 2021 9:41 pm
Grandfather wrote:
Mon Oct 04, 2021 7:42 pm
bibleman wrote:
Mon Oct 04, 2021 7:03 pm

Well if he wrote a letter to the Roman government asking for an exception, for his chariot tag license for being tax exempt...
I don't guess that was Scripture.

But I don't think Paul was talking about his tax exemption when he wrote the following:

1 Thessalonians 2:13 For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.

Galatians 1:12 For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but it came through the revelation of Jesus Christ.
So, do you believe your sermon on Sunday contains the Word of God? Realistically, could one say something very similar to the above passages about your sermons? Or are your messages purely received from man, lacking the power of the Holy Spirit to transform peoples hearts and minds? Is nothing you say from a revelation that God gave you about His Word? Do you not give people the word of God which effectually works within them?

Please tell us?

And if you do preach with power, and a word received from God, not man, that works within the hearts of people to effectively transform them that believe. Then do you claim your teaching is equal to Holy Scripture?

Please tell us?
Well I preach Paul's revelation, so I guess you would say I am preaching the Word of God... Right?
I won’t say anything. I asked you to identify your preaching. Is with with revelation, the Word of God and power to transform? Or is it the powerless word of man and may hold optimism but nothing more? It’s one or the other. What are you afraid of?
I preach Paul’s revelation, so yes I preach the Word of God!
Again, not answering the question asked, but rewording the question to one you desire. Answer the question!

Is your preaching with revelation, the Word of God and power to transform? Or is it the powerless word of man and may hold optimism but nothing more?



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Re: Undeniable proof that Paul's writings were the Word of God!

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Grandfather wrote:
Mon Oct 04, 2021 10:15 pm
bibleman wrote:
Mon Oct 04, 2021 10:13 pm
Grandfather wrote:
Mon Oct 04, 2021 10:07 pm
bibleman wrote:
Mon Oct 04, 2021 9:41 pm
Grandfather wrote:
Mon Oct 04, 2021 7:42 pm
bibleman wrote:
Mon Oct 04, 2021 7:03 pm

Well if he wrote a letter to the Roman government asking for an exception, for his chariot tag license for being tax exempt...
I don't guess that was Scripture.

But I don't think Paul was talking about his tax exemption when he wrote the following:

1 Thessalonians 2:13 For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.

Galatians 1:12 For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but it came through the revelation of Jesus Christ.
So, do you believe your sermon on Sunday contains the Word of God? Realistically, could one say something very similar to the above passages about your sermons? Or are your messages purely received from man, lacking the power of the Holy Spirit to transform peoples hearts and minds? Is nothing you say from a revelation that God gave you about His Word? Do you not give people the word of God which effectually works within them?

Please tell us?

And if you do preach with power, and a word received from God, not man, that works within the hearts of people to effectively transform them that believe. Then do you claim your teaching is equal to Holy Scripture?

Please tell us?
Well I preach Paul's revelation, so I guess you would say I am preaching the Word of God... Right?
I won’t say anything. I asked you to identify your preaching. Is with with revelation, the Word of God and power to transform? Or is it the powerless word of man and may hold optimism but nothing more? It’s one or the other. What are you afraid of?
I preach Paul’s revelation, so yes I preach the Word of God!
Again, not answering the question asked, but rewording the question to one you desire. Answer the question!

Is your preaching with revelation, the Word of God and power to transform? Or is it the powerless word of man and may hold optimism but nothing more?
No my preaching is NOT the word of man (my word)...
but it is preaching with revelation, the Word of God and power to transform...
It is the Revelation of Jesus Christ that was given to Paul - The Word of God!


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Re: Undeniable proof that Paul's writings were the Word of God!

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bibleman wrote:
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It is the Revelation of Jesus Christ that was given to Paul - The Word of God!
So you are like the seven sons of Sceva? By the power of Jesus that Paul preached….



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Re: Undeniable proof that Paul's writings were the Word of God!

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Grandfather wrote:
Tue Oct 05, 2021 5:03 am
bibleman wrote:
Mon Oct 04, 2021 11:34 pm
It is the Revelation of Jesus Christ that was given to Paul - The Word of God!
So you are like the seven sons of Sceva? By the power of Jesus that Paul preached….
YES, but the difference is, devils know me!


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