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bibleman wrote:
Sat Dec 04, 2021 1:32 pm
Grandfather wrote:
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bibleman wrote:
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NOW could you please answer this question? "What passage of Scripture tells us that the "spirit-body" of God is everywhere?"
Why? Your robust defense of Jacob wrestling with God as proof of God's spirit body being limited was shown to be filled with preconceived notions, assumptions, and untruths.
NOW could you please answer this question? "What passage of Scripture tells us that the "spirit-body" of God is everywhere?"
So until you answer, I guess the discussion is over.
Isn't "spirit-body" an oxymoron?



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Hill Top wrote:
Sat Dec 04, 2021 2:32 pm
bibleman wrote:
Sat Dec 04, 2021 1:32 pm
Grandfather wrote:
Sat Dec 04, 2021 1:26 pm
bibleman wrote:
Sat Dec 04, 2021 1:16 pm
NOW could you please answer this question? "What passage of Scripture tells us that the "spirit-body" of God is everywhere?"
Why? Your robust defense of Jacob wrestling with God as proof of God's spirit body being limited was shown to be filled with preconceived notions, assumptions, and untruths.
NOW could you please answer this question? "What passage of Scripture tells us that the "spirit-body" of God is everywhere?"
So until you answer, I guess the discussion is over.
Isn't "spirit-body" an oxymoron?
No it is not.

1 Corinthians 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

WOW - you are hung up on that word oxymoron aren't you? (Big smile)


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bibleman wrote:
Sat Dec 04, 2021 3:28 pm
Hill Top wrote:
Sat Dec 04, 2021 2:32 pm
bibleman wrote:
Sat Dec 04, 2021 1:32 pm
Grandfather wrote:
Sat Dec 04, 2021 1:26 pm
bibleman wrote:
Sat Dec 04, 2021 1:16 pm
NOW could you please answer this question? "What passage of Scripture tells us that the "spirit-body" of God is everywhere?"
Why? Your robust defense of Jacob wrestling with God as proof of God's spirit body being limited was shown to be filled with preconceived notions, assumptions, and untruths.
NOW could you please answer this question? "What passage of Scripture tells us that the "spirit-body" of God is everywhere?"
So until you answer, I guess the discussion is over.
Isn't "spirit-body" an oxymoron?
No it is not.

1 Corinthians 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

WOW - you are hung up on that word oxymoron aren't you? (Big smile)
There is a difference between "spirit" and "spiritual".

(And how often do you get to use a word with an "X" in it?) LOL



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"Then he said to him: What is that thou holdest in thy hand? He answered: A rod." - Exodus 4:2

Here in the book of Exodus God asks Moses what he is holding. Did God not know what Moses was holding?


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patrissimo wrote:
Wed Mar 09, 2022 8:59 am
"Then he said to him: What is that thou holdest in thy hand? He answered: A rod." - Exodus 4:2

Here in the book of Exodus God asks Moses what he is holding. Did God not know what Moses was holding?
Yes I would think so since he was right there talking to him and could no doubt see the rod in his hand.

Sort of like me saying to my son after he said he could not pick up the trash... I would say well what are those two things you have connected on the end of your arms? Of course he would say hands. I would say OK then use those two hands to pickup the trash!


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bibleman wrote:
Wed Mar 09, 2022 11:17 am
patrissimo wrote:
Wed Mar 09, 2022 8:59 am
"Then he said to him: What is that thou holdest in thy hand? He answered: A rod." - Exodus 4:2

Here in the book of Exodus God asks Moses what he is holding. Did God not know what Moses was holding?
Yes I would think so since he was right there talking to him and could no doubt see the rod in his hand.

Sort of like me saying to my son after he said he could not pick up the trash... I would say well what are those two things you have connected on the end of your arms? Of course he would say hands. I would say OK then use those two hands to pickup the trash!
You said this in another post on this thread.

"I don't think the text said God NEEDED here... But the fact is they told Him the info. What purpose would a "stage performance" by God and angels (acting like they are sharing information) serve?"

This implies that if God asks a question that He already knows the answer to, then it is a stage performance. Here, you are saying otherwise about Ex. 4:2.


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patrissimo wrote:
Tue Apr 05, 2022 9:47 am
bibleman wrote:
Wed Mar 09, 2022 11:17 am
patrissimo wrote:
Wed Mar 09, 2022 8:59 am
"Then he said to him: What is that thou holdest in thy hand? He answered: A rod." - Exodus 4:2

Here in the book of Exodus God asks Moses what he is holding. Did God not know what Moses was holding?
Yes I would think so since he was right there talking to him and could no doubt see the rod in his hand.

Sort of like me saying to my son after he said he could not pick up the trash... I would say well what are those two things you have connected on the end of your arms? Of course he would say hands. I would say OK then use those two hands to pickup the trash!
You said this in another post on this thread.

"I don't think the text said God NEEDED here... But the fact is they told Him the info. What purpose would a "stage performance" by God and angels (acting like they are sharing information) serve?"

This implies that if God asks a question that He already knows the answer to, then it is a stage performance. Here, you are saying otherwise about Ex. 4:2.
Not at all.

God MAY know all He chooses to know! He does NOT need anyone to tell Him anything.

BUT IN HIS RELATIONSHIP with mankind he CHOOSES to not know.

No need there at all.

OK here I go again... Sort of like my son is at the ball park with 25 other boys. They say that my son broke the street lamp. I can ask the 25 boys WHO broke the lamp and they can tell me... But I choose to ask my son alone, who broke the lamp. I don't NEED my son to tell me in order to know, I have 25 other boys who can tell me. BUT to keep my relationship square and on a one to one basis, I ask my son and my son alone... who broke the lamp.

Didn't NEED to but int he relationship I have with my son, I choose too. Got it????


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bibleman wrote:
Tue Apr 05, 2022 5:43 pm
patrissimo wrote:
Tue Apr 05, 2022 9:47 am
bibleman wrote:
Wed Mar 09, 2022 11:17 am
patrissimo wrote:
Wed Mar 09, 2022 8:59 am
"Then he said to him: What is that thou holdest in thy hand? He answered: A rod." - Exodus 4:2

Here in the book of Exodus God asks Moses what he is holding. Did God not know what Moses was holding?
Yes I would think so since he was right there talking to him and could no doubt see the rod in his hand.

Sort of like me saying to my son after he said he could not pick up the trash... I would say well what are those two things you have connected on the end of your arms? Of course he would say hands. I would say OK then use those two hands to pickup the trash!
You said this in another post on this thread.

"I don't think the text said God NEEDED here... But the fact is they told Him the info. What purpose would a "stage performance" by God and angels (acting like they are sharing information) serve?"

This implies that if God asks a question that He already knows the answer to, then it is a stage performance. Here, you are saying otherwise about Ex. 4:2.
Not at all.

God MAY know all He chooses to know! He does NOT need anyone to tell Him anything.

BUT IN HIS RELATIONSHIP with mankind he CHOOSES to not know.

No need there at all.

OK here I go again... Sort of like my son is at the ball park with 25 other boys. They say that my son broke the street lamp. I can ask the 25 boys WHO broke the lamp and they can tell me... But I choose to ask my son alone, who broke the lamp. I don't NEED my son to tell me in order to know, I have 25 other boys who can tell me. BUT to keep my relationship square and on a one to one basis, I ask my son and my son alone... who broke the lamp.

Didn't NEED to but int he relationship I have with my son, I choose too. Got it????
Heb. 4:13 says, "Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in His sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of Him with whom we have to do."

Dake's DARB note f on this text says: "Gr. ktisis, created thing...Every thought, desire, and intent of every creature of God are constantly under His eyes."

If God doesn't know certain things, then the above scripture and commentary by Dake could not be true. Notice that Dake said "Every thought, desire, and intent of every creature of God are constantly under His eyes?" How could this be true if God chose not to know certain things? Those things He chose not to know would not be constantly under His eyes. Rather, ALL things are naked and open unto God's eyes. It doesn't say "All things...except what He chooses to ignore."


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patrissimo wrote:
Tue Apr 05, 2022 6:29 pm
bibleman wrote:
Tue Apr 05, 2022 5:43 pm
patrissimo wrote:
Tue Apr 05, 2022 9:47 am
bibleman wrote:
Wed Mar 09, 2022 11:17 am
patrissimo wrote:
Wed Mar 09, 2022 8:59 am
"Then he said to him: What is that thou holdest in thy hand? He answered: A rod." - Exodus 4:2

Here in the book of Exodus God asks Moses what he is holding. Did God not know what Moses was holding?
Yes I would think so since he was right there talking to him and could no doubt see the rod in his hand.

Sort of like me saying to my son after he said he could not pick up the trash... I would say well what are those two things you have connected on the end of your arms? Of course he would say hands. I would say OK then use those two hands to pickup the trash!
You said this in another post on this thread.

"I don't think the text said God NEEDED here... But the fact is they told Him the info. What purpose would a "stage performance" by God and angels (acting like they are sharing information) serve?"

This implies that if God asks a question that He already knows the answer to, then it is a stage performance. Here, you are saying otherwise about Ex. 4:2.
Not at all.

God MAY know all He chooses to know! He does NOT need anyone to tell Him anything.

BUT IN HIS RELATIONSHIP with mankind he CHOOSES to not know.

No need there at all.

OK here I go again... Sort of like my son is at the ball park with 25 other boys. They say that my son broke the street lamp. I can ask the 25 boys WHO broke the lamp and they can tell me... But I choose to ask my son alone, who broke the lamp. I don't NEED my son to tell me in order to know, I have 25 other boys who can tell me. BUT to keep my relationship square and on a one to one basis, I ask my son and my son alone... who broke the lamp.

Didn't NEED to but int he relationship I have with my son, I choose too. Got it????
Heb. 4:13 says, "Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in His sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of Him with whom we have to do."

Dake's DARB note f on this text says: "Gr. ktisis, created thing...Every thought, desire, and intent of every creature of God are constantly under His eyes."

If God doesn't know certain things, then the above scripture and commentary by Dake could not be true. Notice that Dake said "Every thought, desire, and intent of every creature of God are constantly under His eyes?" How could this be true if God chose not to know certain things? Those things He chose not to know would not be constantly under His eyes. Rather, ALL things are naked and open unto God's eyes. It doesn't say "All things...except what He chooses to ignore."
Yes, no problem here. God learns these things from those who report to Him as well as checking it out Himself.

Genesis 18:21 I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know.

What about the thought, desire and intent?

Psalm 44:21 Shall not God search this out? for he knoweth the secrets of the heart.

Psalm 139:23 Search me, O God, and know my heart: try me, and know my thoughts:

God searches the heart and soul of men to discover these things.


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Psalm 139 teaches God's Omniscience and Omnipresesence, both of which Dake denies even though he has headings on the chapter saying "tenfold omniscience of God" and "tenfold omnipresence of God."


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