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Is Dake traducian?
Nope. Jesus was fully God and fully man according to Dake. BUT in Jesus's case He did get His soul and spirit from God - SINCE God was His father.
The above-indicated studies on the divinity and humanity of Jesus Christ prove that He was a divine human being. The orthodox theory holds that the two natures of Christ were both complete in themselves, yet so organically and indissolubly united that no third nature is formed thereby. It forbids us to divide the person and confound the two natures of Jesus Christ. Being truly divine He is a true representative of God, and being truly human He is a true representative of man.
Finis J. Dake, God's Plan for Man, (Lawrenceville, GA: Dake Publishing, Inc., 2004), WORDsearch CROSS e-book, 372.


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bibleman wrote:
Fri May 28, 2021 4:32 pm
Grandfather wrote:
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Was the Father, the Father, before the birth of the Son?
In speaking in terms of the Father of Jesus? NO God the Father was not the Father of Jesus until Jesus was born in Bethlehem over 2,000 years ago.
Interesting. The scripture tells us the Holy Spirit came to Mary, so the Holy Spirit should be the father of Jesus according to a literal reading of scripture.



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Grandfather wrote:
Sat May 29, 2021 7:38 am
bibleman wrote:
Fri May 28, 2021 4:32 pm
Grandfather wrote:
Fri May 28, 2021 3:25 pm
Was the Father, the Father, before the birth of the Son?
In speaking in terms of the Father of Jesus? NO God the Father was not the Father of Jesus until Jesus was born in Bethlehem over 2,000 years ago.
Interesting. The scripture tells us the Holy Spirit came to Mary, so the Holy Spirit should be the father of Jesus according to a literal reading of scripture.
Do you believe that the Holy Spirit is the Father of Jesus?


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bibleman wrote:
Sat May 29, 2021 11:28 am
Grandfather wrote:
Sat May 29, 2021 7:38 am
bibleman wrote:
Fri May 28, 2021 4:32 pm
Grandfather wrote:
Fri May 28, 2021 3:25 pm
Was the Father, the Father, before the birth of the Son?
In speaking in terms of the Father of Jesus? NO God the Father was not the Father of Jesus until Jesus was born in Bethlehem over 2,000 years ago.
Interesting. The scripture tells us the Holy Spirit came to Mary, so the Holy Spirit should be the father of Jesus according to a literal reading of scripture.
Do you believe that the Holy Spirit is the Father of Jesus?
A plain literal reading of Matt 1:20 would indicate that. Perhaps you read it in a manner that is not so literal. Even Dake offers no comment.



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Grandfather wrote:
Sat May 29, 2021 12:34 pm
bibleman wrote:
Sat May 29, 2021 11:28 am
Grandfather wrote:
Sat May 29, 2021 7:38 am
bibleman wrote:
Fri May 28, 2021 4:32 pm
Grandfather wrote:
Fri May 28, 2021 3:25 pm
Was the Father, the Father, before the birth of the Son?
In speaking in terms of the Father of Jesus? NO God the Father was not the Father of Jesus until Jesus was born in Bethlehem over 2,000 years ago.
Interesting. The scripture tells us the Holy Spirit came to Mary, so the Holy Spirit should be the father of Jesus according to a literal reading of scripture.
Do you believe that the Holy Spirit is the Father of Jesus?
A plain literal reading of Matt 1:20 would indicate that. Perhaps you read it in a manner that is not so literal. Even Dake offers no comment.
So it seems you believe that Jesus has two fathers - the Holy Spirit and the Father Himself.

But the reality is the Father of course is the father of Jesus. This was accomplished by the miracle action of the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee—This conception shall take place suddenly, and the Holy Spirit himself shall be the grand operator. The power, δυναμις, the miracle-working power, of the Most High shall overshadow thee, to accomplish this purpose, and to protect thee from danger. As there is a plain allusion to the Spirit of God brooding over the face of the waters, to render them prolific, Genesis 1:2, I am the more firmly established in the opinion advanced on Matthew 1:20, that the rudiments of
the human nature of Christ was a real creation in the womb of the virgin, by the energy of the Spirit of God.
Adam Clarke, Adam Clarke's Commentary, (New York: Abingdon-Cokesbury Press, 1826), WORDsearch CROSS e-book, Under: "Luke".


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bibleman wrote:
Sat May 29, 2021 2:12 pm
Grandfather wrote:
Sat May 29, 2021 12:34 pm
bibleman wrote:
Sat May 29, 2021 11:28 am
Grandfather wrote:
Sat May 29, 2021 7:38 am
bibleman wrote:
Fri May 28, 2021 4:32 pm
Grandfather wrote:
Fri May 28, 2021 3:25 pm
Was the Father, the Father, before the birth of the Son?
In speaking in terms of the Father of Jesus? NO God the Father was not the Father of Jesus until Jesus was born in Bethlehem over 2,000 years ago.
Interesting. The scripture tells us the Holy Spirit came to Mary, so the Holy Spirit should be the father of Jesus according to a literal reading of scripture.
Do you believe that the Holy Spirit is the Father of Jesus?
A plain literal reading of Matt 1:20 would indicate that. Perhaps you read it in a manner that is not so literal. Even Dake offers no comment.
So it seems you believe that Jesus has two fathers - the Holy Spirit and the Father Himself.

But the reality is the Father of course is the father of Jesus. This was accomplished by the miracle action of the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee—This conception shall take place suddenly, and the Holy Spirit himself shall be the grand operator. The power, δυναμις, the miracle-working power, of the Most High shall overshadow thee, to accomplish this purpose, and to protect thee from danger. As there is a plain allusion to the Spirit of God brooding over the face of the waters, to render them prolific, Genesis 1:2, I am the more firmly established in the opinion advanced on Matthew 1:20, that the rudiments of
the human nature of Christ was a real creation in the womb of the virgin, by the energy of the Spirit of God.
Adam Clarke, Adam Clarke's Commentary, (New York: Abingdon-Cokesbury Press, 1826), WORDsearch CROSS e-book, Under: "Luke".
Actually, I have not stated a position, so I am not required to defend anything I haven't taken a position on. So, again you are attempting to attribute to me positions I have not made. So, please be honest in your dealings.

I am puzzled by your "logic" that the Father is the father of Jesus and this was accomplished through the action of the Holy Spirit. It was a long time ago that I took biology, but generally, the one that impregnates the female is considered the father of the child. Even when/if the act of conceiving is done at the behest of another.

BTW... Adam Clarke's commentary says "the Holy Spirit is the grand operator, not the Father. So, I am confused how you see this comment as support for the Father to be the father of Jesus?



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Grandfather wrote:
Sat May 29, 2021 3:55 pm
bibleman wrote:
Sat May 29, 2021 2:12 pm

So it seems you believe that Jesus has two fathers - the Holy Spirit and the Father Himself.

But the reality is the Father of course is the father of Jesus. This was accomplished by the miracle action of the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee—This conception shall take place suddenly, and the Holy Spirit himself shall be the grand operator. The power, δυναμις, the miracle-working power, of the Most High shall overshadow thee, to accomplish this purpose, and to protect thee from danger. As there is a plain allusion to the Spirit of God brooding over the face of the waters, to render them prolific, Genesis 1:2, I am the more firmly established in the opinion advanced on Matthew 1:20, that the rudiments of
the human nature of Christ was a real creation in the womb of the virgin, by the energy of the Spirit of God.
Adam Clarke, Adam Clarke's Commentary, (New York: Abingdon-Cokesbury Press, 1826), WORDsearch CROSS e-book, Under: "Luke".
Actually, I have not stated a position, so I am not required to defend anything I haven't taken a position on. So, again you are attempting to attribute to me positions I have not made. So, please be honest in your dealings.

I am puzzled by your "logic" that the Father is the father of Jesus and this was accomplished through the action of the Holy Spirit. It was a long time ago that I took biology, but generally, the one that impregnates the female is considered the father of the child. Even when/if the act of conceiving is done at the behest of another.

BTW... Adam Clarke's commentary says "the Holy Spirit is the grand operator, not the Father. So, I am confused how you see this comment as support for the Father to be the father of Jesus?
So go ahead and take a position, please.

Or is your position a secret?


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bibleman wrote:
Sat May 29, 2021 5:47 pm
So go ahead and take a position, please.

Or is your position a secret?
My position is not in question, yours is. All I am asking is that you defend your position in light of scripture.

Of course you can always admit it is merely your opinion and you have no defense in light of the scriptures I referenced.



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Grandfather wrote:
Sat May 29, 2021 6:21 pm
bibleman wrote:
Sat May 29, 2021 5:47 pm
So go ahead and take a position, please.

Or is your position a secret?
My position is not in question, yours is. All I am asking is that you defend your position in light of scripture.

Of course you can always admit it is merely your opinion and you have no defense in light of the scriptures I referenced.
If you don't want to state who you think the Father of Jesus is... then don't.

This is a discussion board and you can't just throw out all of this junk that you do and then step back and say you don't believe it.

It is this kind of attitude that causes people to NOT want to interact with you.


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bibleman wrote:
Sat May 29, 2021 6:39 pm
Grandfather wrote:
Sat May 29, 2021 6:21 pm
bibleman wrote:
Sat May 29, 2021 5:47 pm
So go ahead and take a position, please.

Or is your position a secret?
My position is not in question, yours is. All I am asking is that you defend your position in light of scripture.

Of course you can always admit it is merely your opinion and you have no defense in light of the scriptures I referenced.
If you don't want to state who you think the Father of Jesus is... then don't.

This is a discussion board and you can't just throw out all of this junk that you do and then step back and say you don't believe it.

It is this kind of attitude that causes people to NOT want to interact with you.
Perhaps you are correct. But when I state an opinion I will call it opinion. When I assert something as factual I will support it with evidence. I have never asserted something as fact then run away when confronted with scripture that points to a different conclusion.

You made such a claim but in light of the plain reading (a phrase you like to use) of Matt 1 it is difficult to support that claim. But rather that acknowledging that difficult you are attempting to dodge the question and shift the focus.



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