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How has the church addressed the issue and inequities of the racial divide?

The Civil Rights movement in the United States would have not succeeded if the church did not get involved, but did/has the church done enough? One cannot deny the many churches/Christians used scripture to justify slavery and the poor treatment of slaves. And once the slaves were free, the church often closed its doors to the black man and in the southern states, these same churches opened the door to the KKK.

Does the church have any obligation to reach out and offer a hand up to the poor in their community?
Do Christians, in general, have that obligation?
If the "hand up" is rejected, how often is it to be continued to be extended? 7? 7x70?
In the OT we see the nation of Israel being punished for its sinfulness, even though there were some righteous, more often than not those righteous had to bear under the weight of exile, etc. Does the same hold true for America?



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Good topic.

A few months ago, shortly after George Floyd's death, one local preacher that I have regularly listened to over the last 20 or so years made the point that even during the Martin Luthur King Jr era of the Civil Rights Movement, hardly any evangelical churches supported him or his movement. Most were opposed.

A few years ago, a Bible teacher that I really respected pointed out that racism was an huge part in the church, even singling out Dake and his notes and works for racism in regards to his notes on segregation and inter-racial marriage. Dake publishing edited and revised some of those notes, after diligently trying to resolve the issue with that preacher.

On a more general note, another preacher that I follow pointed out that there are calls to give Black people two votes each, in every election in the United States, in order to attempt to make up for an history of systemic racism. The argument being that they would be a larger portion of the population, had racism not prevented an otherwise normal population growth.

What can the church do? Good question.


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Spiritblade Disciple wrote:
Sun Dec 20, 2020 5:20 pm
Good topic.
A few months ago, shortly after George Floyd's death, one local preacher that I have regularly listened to over the last 20 or so years made the point that even during the Martin Luthur King Jr era of the Civil Rights Movement, hardly any evangelical churches supported him or his movement. Most were opposed.
The church was divided, not just on supporting the Civil Rights Movement, but on how to support it. Looking back thru history many today say the church did not do enough to condemn the sins of discrimination. That may be, but historians agree the Civil Rights movement would have failed without the support of the church.
Spiritblade Disciple wrote:
Sun Dec 20, 2020 5:20 pm
A few years ago, a Bible teacher that I really respected pointed out that racism was an huge part in the church, even singling out Dake and his notes and works for racism in regards to his notes on segregation and inter-racial marriage. Dake publishing edited and revised some of those notes, after diligently trying to resolve the issue with that preacher.
Yes Dake was taken to task about his notes on the seperation of the races. Was it racism? Misunderstanding? What is factual is those notes were removed/re-written to remove offensive - possibly understood as racist - language.
Spiritblade Disciple wrote:
Sun Dec 20, 2020 5:20 pm
On a more general note, another preacher that I follow pointed out that there are calls to give Black people two votes each, in every election in the United States, in order to attempt to make up for an history of systemic racism. The argument being that they would be a larger portion of the population, had racism not prevented an otherwise normal population growth.
I’ve read some of this recently. However, I would point out that the Black community has done an effective job of reducing their voting power by aborting their babies in large numbers. That is a sin they have to deal with.

Spiritblade Disciple wrote:
Sun Dec 20, 2020 5:20 pm
What can the church do? Good question.
Begin have the hard conversation.



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Spiritblade Disciple wrote:
Sun Dec 20, 2020 5:20 pm

What can the church do? Good question.
What can the church do?

Act as though race does not exist and treat everybody the same.


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bibleman wrote:
Mon Dec 21, 2020 1:44 am
Spiritblade Disciple wrote:
Sun Dec 20, 2020 5:20 pm

What can the church do? Good question.
What can the church do?

Act as though race does not exist and treat everybody the same.

Spot on :angel:



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bibleman wrote:
Mon Dec 21, 2020 1:44 am
Spiritblade Disciple wrote:
Sun Dec 20, 2020 5:20 pm

What can the church do? Good question.
What can the church do?

Act as though race does not exist and treat everybody the same.
That would be nice, but historically that has not happened. So, what is your responsiblity, as a Pastor, when you see the church down the street not treating doing what you suggested? Does the church, as a whole, need to repent, for their complicity in slavery and racism?



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The main reason Christians become racist or see racism in the Churches is that they do not believe
what the bible says, or they cannot grasp what the Holy Spirit teaches.

Acts. 17:26; And He has made from one blood every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth,
and has determined their pre appointed times and boundaries of their dwellings.

1 cor.15:39; All flesh is not the same flesh, but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of animals, another of fish, and another of birds.

Gal. 3:28: There is neither Jew or Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male or female;
for you are all one in Christ.

2 Cor.5:16-17; Therefore, from now on, we regard no one according to the flesh. Even though we have
known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know Him thus no longer.
Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold all things
have become new.

John. 3:16; For God so loved THE WORLD that He gave His only begotten Son, that WHOEVER believes in Him
should not perish but have everlasting life.



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The interesting thing to me is that scripture separates people and God separates them in Revelation and will even lay out portions to their different groups. Why do we think all are the same, or should be the same?

Yes, we are the same in many ways, but certainly we are different in many ways. We are not all black, white, brown, yellow, red, come from different cultural backgrounds, etc, but we come from the same concept of creation.

In my opinion people miss this. Just as God the Father is not God the Son, nor God the Holy Spirit, they are different as scripture shows. We are very different and I begin to think this is for good reason from God above.


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Grandfather wrote:
Mon Dec 21, 2020 4:36 am
bibleman wrote:
Mon Dec 21, 2020 1:44 am
Spiritblade Disciple wrote:
Sun Dec 20, 2020 5:20 pm

What can the church do? Good question.
What can the church do?

Act as though race does not exist and treat everybody the same.
That would be nice, but historically that has not happened. So, what is your responsiblity, as a Pastor, when you see the church down the street not treating doing what you suggested? Does the church, as a whole, need to repent, for their complicity in slavery and racism?
A lot of things have not happened but that does not lessen our responsibility to do the right thing.

As a pastor my responsibility is to my local church, Sadly I do not have an authority over the church down the road and am unable to enforce right living on them.

The church as a whole does NOT need to repent for anything... unless they as individual churches have sinned. Where no sin is involved no repentance is necessary.


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macca wrote:
Mon Dec 21, 2020 4:45 am
The main reason Christians become racist or see racism in the Churches is that they do not believe
what the bible says, or they cannot grasp what the Holy Spirit teaches.

Acts. 17:26; And He has made from one blood every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth,
and has determined their pre appointed times and boundaries of their dwellings.

1 cor.15:39; All flesh is not the same flesh, but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of animals, another of fish, and another of birds.

Gal. 3:28: There is neither Jew or Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male or female;
for you are all one in Christ.

2 Cor.5:16-17; Therefore, from now on, we regard no one according to the flesh. Even though we have
known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know Him thus no longer.
Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold all things
have become new.

John. 3:16; For God so loved THE WORLD that He gave His only begotten Son, that WHOEVER believes in Him
should not perish but have everlasting life.
You could have stopped after "they do not believe".
Unbelievers are not Christians.



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