As God is a spirit and has no "toes" to stub, His perfection we are to emulate is Spiritual in essence.Grandfather wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 8:39 amInteresting comment. My first thought is why should one accept your view as the correct one? I believe Jesus did state that mistakes are sin in Matt 5:48 where he commanded "Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect." As you see, I do not appeal to "my view" of what God requires of us, instead I point to the words of Jesus Christ. And I might suggest we take Dake's position of taking the Bible literally when it can be reasonably done so and there is nothing here to suggest we take it otherwise.luchnia wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 7:16 amIn my view, Jesus never stated anything that would suggest a mistake, as we define the word mistake, as a sin. If one understands the spirit and nature of sin it is not a struggle understanding what sin is and who its master is. The bible explains sin and sin's master well as well as the different natures between unrighteous and righteous works.Grandfather wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 9:15 pmFinally, for now, I would ask a few simple questions to those who think mistakes and errors are not sin.
Who gets to decide when a "mistake" or "error" is grievous enough to rise to the level of sin?
What if the well-intended "mistake" causes someone else to commit an easily recognizable sin?
Does that mistake now rise to the "sin" level?
You have a point, temptation is not always a sin, neither is anger. I will agree. The question was at what point does temptation, anger, bitterness turn from "mistakes" and "errors" to SIN? And while I value your opinion, I would rather put my faith in God's word.luchnia wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 7:16 amConsider the spirit that is darkened by sin and its intent. Even temptation is not sin as we see in James and anger is not sin as we see in Luke, yet some would make these sin in their brothers and sisters. Can they become sin? Certainly. It is about the intent of the spirit of man when following a heart/spirit of darkness.
I agree, none of this should be difficult for a child of God to understand, the command was to be perfect as He is perfect. Anything short of that standard is unacceptable. Mistakes and Errors as you call them miss the mark (sin) of the standard that God himself set.luchnia wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 7:16 amNone of this should be that difficult to understand for a child of God because they are born again from above and have put off the old man and have crucified the flesh with the affections and lust. They walk in a different spirit with different direction...
An elderly lady that confesses with her mouth and believes in her heart that God raised Jesus from the dead and stubs her toe does not love darkness, nor has an evil spirit of satan because she has made a mistake and stubbed her toe.
Please read and re-read my postings. I have not implied, stated, suggested, hinted, etc. that believers who make, what you call "mistakes" or "errors" and I call sin, have an evil spirit. Nor have I suggested they suddenly became unsaved when they did. Any idea that you may have that leads to that conclusion of their eternal state comes from your theological view, not mine.
What I have stated is that these things you call "mistakes" are sin. (or the results of sin, we live in a fallen world, bad things happen to good and godly people.)
So, I will repeat my answer to my questions. Not with opinion, but with God's Word.
Matts 5:48 -Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
James 1:4 But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing
Does our heaven Father stub his toe at night? Does he lock himself out of the throneroom of glory? Does he make spelling or research errors? Does he ever miss the target that he throws a ball at? I don't think so.
We can discuss how God deals with this "little sins" that we call errors and mistakes at another time, or in another thread, but for now let us call them for what they are. SIN.
You omit "intent" when describing what is sin.
James says several requirements exist before sin can be committed, in James 1:13-14.
If you are enticed to and lust to stub your toe, it would be a sin.
Sins are premeditated.