What does that say about your "major churches"?
The one thing they all do have in common is that they are still the subjects of..."Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:" (Eph 2:2)
Is obedience to God really an "odd-ball doctrine"?Only the fringes go to extremes about sinless perfection(and many other odd ball doctrines)
Jesus died for our past sins, and to allow us the opportunity of rebirth of God's seed.
It was Adam's seed that allowed sin to reign on earth.
There are some who teach without learning.Every preacher i know of who taught it has had a major public fall.
They are the ones from 2 Peter 2:19..."While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage."
Jesus taught it..."Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect." (Matt 5:48)NONE of the Church Fathers taught it.The Bible does not teach it.
Paul taught it...“Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
For he that is dead is freed from sin.” (Rom. 6:6-7)
And..."Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame." (1 Cor 15:34)
John taught it...“But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.” (1 John 1:7)
And...“We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.” (1 John 5:18)
Peter taught it...“Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:" (2 Peter 1:10)
And..."Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;" (1 Peter 4:1)
Are they not the "church founders" you speak of?
You are confusing righteousness for sin.It comes from the PRIDE of fallen man who does not want to bow the knees and acknowledge his/her own exceeding sinfulness his/her own utter helplessness and utter hopelessness and his/her complete need for the Lord Jesus Christ.
"JESUS PAID IT ALL,ALL TO HIM I OWE ,SIN HAD LEFT A CRIMSON STAIN ,HE WASHED IT WHITE AS SNOW."
It is the sinful, rebellious, haters of God that won't "bow the knee".
Those who do remain obedient, keep that knee bent till they are called home to God.
[/quote]Hill Top wrote: ↑Mon Jul 27, 2020 10:37 pmI just got a one month vacation from a different "Christian Forum".
Because I was discussing sinless perfection, which was against their rules.
Do you all think that such a rule is..."Christian"?
BTW, I had over three thousand posts there, over a couple of years.
I usually 'couched' my mentioning of sinless perfection with innuendos, synonyms, and invitations to go to PM ing.
I knew their rules, but as something like declaring the actions of God are not legislated against from heaven, I was forced to skirt them.