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MAYBE WILLIAM BRANHAM WAS RIGHT

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If God has and had perfect foreknowledge and knew who would be saved and who would go to eternal torment and still hit the "start button" and God is perfect Love I can understand why William Branham believed in annihilationism.

People who choose not to believe in God would get what they say. What you say is what you believe and what you get. Otherwise how could a loving God send the vast majority of people to eternal torture?

Many are called but few are chosen. Would you start a world in which 97% would be tortured eternally, including people's mothers, sweet old grandmothers, wives? How about 70%? How about 30%? How about 1%? I wouldn't.

We don't have all the answers to the paradigm we're in. God didn't tell us everything. We don't even know where God draws the line between sins of damnation and much lesser sins like not saying "I love you" to your spouse more frequently.

Consider the millions of savages and Indians who have never heard of Jesus. Do they deserve Heaven and to be joint heirs with Christ? Maybe they will be reincarnated and given another chance to renew their minds. Or do you relegate them to Hell?

We haven't been given all the answers.

Before you reply with the standard answers put yourself in the shoes or moccasins of a loving Indian who lived in Ecuador 3,000 years ago. Oops, maybe I just answered my own question.



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Re: MAYBE WILLIAM BRANHAM WAS RIGHT

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dolph wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 1:18 pm
If God has and had perfect foreknowledge and knew who would be saved and who would go to eternal torment and still hit the "start button" and God is perfect Love I can understand why William Branham believed in annihilationism.

People who choose not to believe in God would get what they say. What you say is what you believe and what you get. Otherwise how could a loving God send the vast majority of people to eternal torture?

Many are called but few are chosen. Would you start a world in which 97% would be tortured eternally, including people's mothers, sweet old grandmothers, wives? How about 70%? How about 30%? How about 1%? I wouldn't.

We don't have all the answers to the paradigm we're in. God didn't tell us everything. We don't even know where God draws the line between sins of damnation and much lesser sins like not saying "I love you" to your spouse more frequently.

Consider the millions of savages and Indians who have never heard of Jesus. Do they deserve Heaven and to be joint heirs with Christ? Maybe they will be reincarnated and given another chance to renew their minds. Or do you relegate them to Hell?

We haven't been given all the answers.

Before you reply with the standard answers put yourself in the shoes or moccasins of a loving Indian who lived in Ecuador 3,000 years ago. Oops, maybe I just answered my own question.
Interesting thoughts. I would respond about "We haven't been given all the answers." this way, we have all the answers we need in God's word.

Also while reading this something you stated reminded me of something and that is that God wills that all men be saved. So His will is good and right and the question could be asked, will God not give every person a chance to be saved? I believe the answer to that is Yes.


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Thaks for not slamming me Luchnia.



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dolph wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 1:18 pm
Before you reply with the standard answers put yourself in the shoes or moccasins of a loving Indian who lived in Ecuador 3,000 years ago. Oops, maybe I just answered my own question.
Excellent line of thoughts.

To add to this, God didn't send Jesus to Sodom, but He did send Him to Capernaum. Yet, Capernaum didn't repent. Strangely, we're told that it will be better for Sodom on Judgment Day than Capernaum.

Perhaps, the Equadorian you imagine will have a more tolerable Judgment Day than those that have heard the Gospel and refused to obey it?

Remember, sometimes the job of the preacher isn't to convert the hearer, but to harden them against repentance.


Matthew 5:19-20 New King James Version
"Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven."

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Not to put too fine a point on it, what about the Jews since Paul's day when God blinded their eyes?

Romans 11:7-10

7 What then? Israel has not obtained what it seeks; but the elect have obtained it, and the rest were blinded. 8 Just as it is written:“God has given them a spirit of stupor,
Eyes that they should not see
And ears that they should not hear,
To this very day.9 And David says:“Let their table become a snare and a trap,
A stumbling block and a recompense to them.
10 Let their eyes be darkened, so that they do not see,
And bow down their back always.”

Perhaps this is directed to the Jews who personally rejected Christ until Paul's apostleship?!



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Perhaps, their judgment will be more tolerable since they were blinded?


Matthew 5:19-20 New King James Version
"Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven."

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Turek: What About Those Who Never Heard

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Frank Turek, whom I first heard of through Hill Top, on the topic.


Matthew 5:19-20 New King James Version
"Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven."

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Re: Turek: What About Those Who Never Heard

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Spiritblade Disciple wrote:
Thu May 14, 2020 12:02 pm


Frank Turek, whom I first heard of through Hill Top, on the topic.
Some very interesting viewpoints given.


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Frank Turek is a False Teacher

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Spiritblade Disciple wrote:
Thu May 14, 2020 12:02 pm


Frank Turek, whom I first heard of through Hill Top, on the topic.
Careful, Frank Turek is a false teacher.



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Re: Frank Turek is a False Teacher

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Hill Top wrote:
Thu May 14, 2020 2:44 pm
Careful, Frank Turek is a false teacher.
I suspected you would consider him to be a false teacher.

Is there anyone out there whom you would consider to be a true teacher who is well known?

Thank you.


Matthew 5:19-20 New King James Version
"Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven."

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