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Re: WHAT'S WRONG WITH BEING PERFECT?

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branham1965 wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 9:58 pm
Your teaching denies every teaching of the early church fathers.
Dake's teaching was often in opposition to early church fathers and is opposed to what many teach today in a number of biblical subjects and not just the living free from sin subject. It also is fascinating that many that claim they agree with Dake, do not agree with him about this issue in the least respect.

The more one studies this the more one should be shocked that people teach you can live in sin and have eternal life which is in opposition to what the bible teaches about it.

In my opinion, Dake did not teach anything one cannot find in the scriptures references he used. I am sure he dealt with a lot of people that believed you can sin your way to eternal life.


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Re: WHAT'S WRONG WITH BEING PERFECT?

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The early church fathers preserved the truth.Saint Augustine,Saint Thomas Aquinas,Saint Jerome,Saint John Chrysostom,Saint Basil the Great and all the others.They literally changed human history.They formulated the canon of Scripture.
Google early church fathers.There is plenty of information on the internet about them.
Hill Top wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 11:31 pm
branham1965 wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 9:58 pm
Your teaching denies every teaching of the early church fathers.
That depends on how "early" you want to go...
Paul wrote..."Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
For he that is dead is freed from sin.” (Rom. 6:6-7)
And..."Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame." (1 Cor 15:34)

John wrote...“We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.” (1 John 5:18)
And..."Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.” (1 John 3:9)

Peter wrote..."But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;
Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy." (1 Peter 1:15-16)
And...“For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps
Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth:” (1 Peter 2:21-22)
And..."
"Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;" (1 Peter 4:1)

Who do you consider an early church "father"?
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Re: WHAT'S WRONG WITH BEING PERFECT?

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branham1965 wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:51 am
The early church fathers preserved the truth.Saint Augustine,Saint Thomas Aquinas,Saint Jerome,Saint John Chrysostom,Saint Basil the Great and all the others.They literally changed human history.They formulated the canon of Scripture.
Google early church fathers.There is plenty of information on the internet about them.
Hill Top wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 11:31 pm
branham1965 wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 9:58 pm
Your teaching denies every teaching of the early church fathers.
That depends on how "early" you want to go...
Paul wrote..."Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
For he that is dead is freed from sin.” (Rom. 6:6-7)
And..."Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame." (1 Cor 15:34)

John wrote...“We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.” (1 John 5:18)
And..."Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.” (1 John 3:9)

Peter wrote..."But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;
Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy." (1 Peter 1:15-16)
And...“For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps
Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth:” (1 Peter 2:21-22)
And..."
"Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;" (1 Peter 4:1)

Who do you consider an early church "father"?
I'm surprised you would believe anyone who contradicts the apostles.



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Re: WHAT'S WRONG WITH BEING PERFECT?

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No sir i have never believed you.You contradict the apostles,church fathers and church scholars!!!

You teach that there is no Divine Trinity but there is.
You teach Christians cannot sin or backslide but they can.
You openly deny water baptism in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit but Jesus Christ in the great commission taught it to his disciples.

You stated openly that you have no empathy for other people.

NO Phil it is you and your pupils who are off the rails.

Get it right sir.
Hill Top wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 11:34 pm
branham1965 wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:51 am
The early church fathers preserved the truth.Saint Augustine,Saint Thomas Aquinas,Saint Jerome,Saint John Chrysostom,Saint Basil the Great and all the others.They literally changed human history.They formulated the canon of Scripture.
Google early church fathers.There is plenty of information on the internet about them.
Hill Top wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 11:31 pm
branham1965 wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 9:58 pm
Your teaching denies every teaching of the early church fathers.
That depends on how "early" you want to go...
Paul wrote..."Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
For he that is dead is freed from sin.” (Rom. 6:6-7)
And..."Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame." (1 Cor 15:34)

John wrote...“We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.” (1 John 5:18)
And..."Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.” (1 John 3:9)

Peter wrote..."But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;
Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy." (1 Peter 1:15-16)
And...“For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps
Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth:” (1 Peter 2:21-22)
And..."
"Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;" (1 Peter 4:1)

Who do you consider an early church "father"?
I'm surprised you would believe anyone who contradicts the apostles.
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Re: WHAT'S WRONG WITH BEING PERFECT?

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branham1965 wrote:
Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:42 am
No sir i have never believed you.You contradict the apostles,church fathers and church scholars!!!

You teach that there is no Divine Trinity but there is.
You teach Christians cannot sin or backslide but they can.
You openly deny water baptism in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit but Jesus Christ in the great commission taught it to his disciples.

You stated openly that you have no empathy for other people.

NO Phil it is you and your pupils who are off the rails.

Get it right sir.
Hill Top wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 11:34 pm
branham1965 wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:51 am
The early church fathers preserved the truth.Saint Augustine,Saint Thomas Aquinas,Saint Jerome,Saint John Chrysostom,Saint Basil the Great and all the others.They literally changed human history.They formulated the canon of Scripture.
Google early church fathers.There is plenty of information on the internet about them.
Hill Top wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 11:31 pm
branham1965 wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 9:58 pm
Your teaching denies every teaching of the early church fathers.
That depends on how "early" you want to go...
Paul wrote..."Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
For he that is dead is freed from sin.” (Rom. 6:6-7)
And..."Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame." (1 Cor 15:34)

John wrote...“We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.” (1 John 5:18)
And..."Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.” (1 John 3:9)

Peter wrote..."But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;
Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy." (1 Peter 1:15-16)
And...“For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps
Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth:” (1 Peter 2:21-22)
And..."
"Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;" (1 Peter 4:1)

Who do you consider an early church "father"?
I'm surprised you would believe anyone who contradicts the apostles.
WELL SAID BILLY!


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Re: WHAT'S WRONG WITH BEING PERFECT?

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branham1965 wrote:
Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:42 am
No sir i have never believed you.You contradict the apostles,church fathers and church scholars!!!
You teach that there is no Divine Trinity but there is.
Show me the scripture declaring that. please.
You teach Christians cannot sin or backslide but they can.
The idea of "backsliders" contradicts 1 John 3:9-10.
You openly deny water baptism in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit but Jesus Christ in the great commission taught it to his disciples.
You have me mixed up with someone else.
I believe that without water baptism, there would be no remission of past sins, (Acts 2:38), no crucifixion of the old man, and no being raised with Christ to walk in newness of life. (Rom 6:3-6)
And there would be no freedom from sin. (Rom 6:7)
You stated openly that you have no empathy for other people.
Were that true, I wouldn't be here trying to turn you from the darkness and unto the light.
NO Phil it is you and your pupils who are off the rails.
It is written that few would be saved.
If adhering to the doctrine which is according to Godliness goes against your nature, you are free to live your own life.



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Re: WHAT'S WRONG WITH BEING PERFECT?

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Hiltop wrote;
"Were that true, I wouldn't be here trying to turn you from the darkness and unto the light."
:lol!: :lol!: :lol!: :lol!: :lol!: Your almost perfect, if you could just eliminate a few more sins!


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Re: WHAT'S WRONG WITH BEING PERFECT?

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1. Get a Dake Bible notes on 1 John.

2.Reverend Dake taught Christians can sin and backslide and has profuse Bible notes on it.

3. you are anti Trinity and you believe in Jesus name only water baptism.

4.I am glad you have empathy at least.

5.Get a Dake Bible.He blessed and influenced many people.Maybe you would like it.

Hill Top wrote:
Thu Jul 02, 2020 11:33 pm
branham1965 wrote:
Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:42 am
No sir i have never believed you.You contradict the apostles,church fathers and church scholars!!!
You teach that there is no Divine Trinity but there is.
Show me the scripture declaring that. please.
You teach Christians cannot sin or backslide but they can.
The idea of "backsliders" contradicts 1 John 3:9-10.
You openly deny water baptism in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit but Jesus Christ in the great commission taught it to his disciples.
You have me mixed up with someone else.
I believe that without water baptism, there would be no remission of past sins, (Acts 2:38), no crucifixion of the old man, and no being raised with Christ to walk in newness of life. (Rom 6:3-6)
And there would be no freedom from sin. (Rom 6:7)
You stated openly that you have no empathy for other people.
Were that true, I wouldn't be here trying to turn you from the darkness and unto the light.
NO Phil it is you and your pupils who are off the rails.
It is written that few would be saved.
If adhering to the doctrine which is according to Godliness goes against your nature, you are free to live your own life.



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Re: WHAT'S WRONG WITH BEING PERFECT?

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Thanks for the help Ironman.


billabong

Ironman wrote:
Thu Jul 02, 2020 11:40 pm
Hiltop wrote;
"Were that true, I wouldn't be here trying to turn you from the darkness and unto the light."
:lol!: :lol!: :lol!: :lol!: :lol!: Your almost perfect, if you could just eliminate a few more sins!



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Re: WHAT'S WRONG WITH BEING PERFECT?

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No worries mate. I see where your coming from. We have the promise of a heavenly home, the glorious hope, a new glorified body THAT CANNOT SIN. We have the promise of a new heaven and earth and the promise of living eternally with the everlasting King and Creator.

Some people think they have that glorified body that cannot sin already, in this life. Lucifer sinned, Moses sinned, King Solomon sinned, King David sinned. If Lucifer, the great arc-angel and these great men fell into sin, anyone can, in this life.


Galatians 4: 16, Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?

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