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I will admit I struggle with the typical prosperity doctrine as taught by many churches. I believe they are playing fast and loose with the scriptures. I also do not see that same prosperity concept taught or practice throughout church history until the past few decades. Look at the church in persecuted countries, if the doctrine taught by prosperity teachers worked, then why are they suffering? Are we to assume they just don't know about it? How about the early Apostles? Which of them retired healthy, wealthy, and wise?

Now, before I get attacked severely, I would like to point out I do believe there is such a thing as a poverty mentality. I do believe that for too long people assumed that worldly possessions were some kind of a sign against spiritual maturity. We've all heard the joke about the deacon board that prayed for their pastor -- God you keep him humble, we will keep him poor. I do not see wealth as being an indication of blessing. Jeremiah asked God "why do the wicked prosper?" David said he envied the wicked when he saw their prosperity.

On the same note being poor (and I think there is a difference between poverty and poor) is not always an indication that something is wrong or sinful. The psalmist also speaks of the righteous suffering, questioning why the righteous are doing without.

I'll stop here and allow the conversation to get started.



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For starters could you give us in financial terms where poverty ends and prosperity begins?

Such as if someone has a networth of 1 million is that poverty or prosperous?

What about a net worth of 100,000 dollars - poverty or prosperous?

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bibleman wrote:
Fri Apr 17, 2020 12:07 am
For starters could you give us in financial terms where poverty ends and prosperity begins?

Such as if someone has a networth of 1 million is that poverty or prosperous?

What about a net worth of 100,000 dollars - poverty or prosperous?

thanks
Interesting question. Where does poverty end and prosperity begin? Of course, this question presupposes that poverty/prosperity is defined by a materialistic world view. The question assumes that money and financial standing is God's standard for determining if one is prosperous or not.

Why do you take the materialistic world view? Why do you assume a level of financial standing is God's view of prosperity?



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Grandfather wrote:
Fri Apr 17, 2020 11:12 am
bibleman wrote:
Fri Apr 17, 2020 12:07 am
For starters could you give us in financial terms where poverty ends and prosperity begins?

Such as if someone has a networth of 1 million is that poverty or prosperous?

What about a net worth of 100,000 dollars - poverty or prosperous?

thanks
Interesting question. Where does poverty end and prosperity begin? Of course, this question presupposes that poverty/prosperity is defined by a materialistic world view. The question assumes that money and financial standing is God's standard for determining if one is prosperous or not.

Why do you take the materialistic world view? Why do you assume a level of financial standing is God's view of prosperity?
It was just a question....

BUT.... if not a financial or material then what is God's standard for determining prosperous or Poverty?


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bibleman wrote:
Sun Apr 19, 2020 8:08 am
Grandfather wrote:
Fri Apr 17, 2020 11:12 am
bibleman wrote:
Fri Apr 17, 2020 12:07 am
For starters could you give us in financial terms where poverty ends and prosperity begins?

Such as if someone has a networth of 1 million is that poverty or prosperous?

What about a net worth of 100,000 dollars - poverty or prosperous?

thanks
Interesting question. Where does poverty end and prosperity begin? Of course, this question presupposes that poverty/prosperity is defined by a materialistic world view. The question assumes that money and financial standing is God's standard for determining if one is prosperous or not.

Why do you take the materialistic world view? Why do you assume a level of financial standing is God's view of prosperity?
It was just a question....

BUT.... if not a financial or material then what is God's standard for determining prosperous or Poverty?
It was just a question, but I am still interested in why that was your default position for a reply? Why was your first response to assume a level of material possession as a means of determining prosperity or poverty?



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Grandfather wrote:
Sun Apr 19, 2020 9:42 am
bibleman wrote:
Sun Apr 19, 2020 8:08 am
Grandfather wrote:
Fri Apr 17, 2020 11:12 am
bibleman wrote:
Fri Apr 17, 2020 12:07 am
For starters could you give us in financial terms where poverty ends and prosperity begins?

Such as if someone has a networth of 1 million is that poverty or prosperous?

What about a net worth of 100,000 dollars - poverty or prosperous?

thanks
Interesting question. Where does poverty end and prosperity begin? Of course, this question presupposes that poverty/prosperity is defined by a materialistic world view. The question assumes that money and financial standing is God's standard for determining if one is prosperous or not.

Why do you take the materialistic world view? Why do you assume a level of financial standing is God's view of prosperity?
It was just a question....

BUT.... if not a financial or material then what is God's standard for determining prosperous or Poverty?
It was just a question, but I am still interested in why that was your default position for a reply? Why was your first response to assume a level of material possession as a means of determining prosperity or poverty?
Just a question to get your thread going.

If you are going to be hard to get along with just forget it.


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