?luchnia wrote: ↑Tue Dec 24, 2019 6:01 pmI think this is where your understanding of this presents a challenge for you.Hill Top wrote: ↑Tue Dec 24, 2019 2:12 pmIf we are talking about biblical things...then one or the other is not of God.I can think of many examples where people disagree, so does that mean one of them doesn't have the mind of Christ, or both of them?
How can one man say, for instance, that baptism isn't necessary for salvation when Jesus said "he who believeth and is baptized shall be saved"?
Isn't he determined to be "not of Christ" by what the bible says?
Elaborate, please.I believe that Christ died and rose again from the dead which indicates my salvation.
The devil believes that, as it is truth. (James 2:19)If you believe that then you are saved as well.
I don't feel that he is saved.
Besides, Jesus said that he who believes and is baptized "shall" be saved. (Mark 16:16)
"Shall be" indicates a future time.
Our salvation won't be assured till the final judgement determines if our names are in the book of life. (Phil 4:3, Rev 3:5, 13:8)
Including this...That would mean we are both saved and of Christ, yet we disagree on some things.
What other form of "immersion" replicates burial? (Rom 6:5, Col 2:12)If I believe the immersion into Christ has nothing to do with water, in your view it does have to do with water because of how you perceive the scriptures. We differ on this, so according to your opinion, I am not of Christ by what the bible says because of your understanding of what the bible says.
The gift of the holy Ghost was given after repentance from sin and baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of past sins. (Acts 2:38)
Only Cornelius' situation differed from Peter's pronunciation on the day of Pentecost. And even that "special" occasion was immediately followed by baptism in water.
The "occasion" was the acceptance of the Gentiles to salvation, to the astonishment of the Jews that accompanied Peter. (Acts 10:45)
Has the doctrine you adhere to allowed you to be a non-sinner?I would think you could see the dilemma and the danger in holding the position that those that disagree with your view of the bible are not of Christ.
Isn't freedom from sin the proof of anything that has a bearing on Christ?