Dake Bible Discussion Board ⇒ KEEP REPENTING OR ETERNAL SECURITY?

[luchnia]

Yes, Heb 5:7..."Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;"

The word feared has to do with reverence not scared as you said you were
Got another verse?

"Crying and tears" because of reverence?
Not buying it.

BTW, why not put that verse in context, especially with verses 1-6? Taking verses out of context continues to cause most of the erroneous doctrinal issues. Take a good hard look at the context of the chapter and see what it means? What was Jesus praying for and since He was heard what was the outcome of the answer to the prayers and supplications that He offered up?[/quote]
Which context?
That He was in the flesh and suffered every emotion we suffer?
That His obedience manifested His perfection, and that He became the author of eternal salvation...to those that obey Him?
Or something else?
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So it wasn't temptation as a man, but emotions Jesus suffered? So you don't think Jesus, as a man, had authority over the devil and that somehow He was afraid of him? How could Jesus grant such authority over powers of darkness to other men before His crucifixion?

[Hill Top]

BTW, why not put that verse in context, especially with verses 1-6? Taking verses out of context continues to cause most of the erroneous doctrinal issues. Take a good hard look at the context of the chapter and see what it means? What was Jesus praying for and since He was heard what was the outcome of the answer to the prayers and supplications that He offered up?

Which context?
That He was in the flesh and suffered every emotion we suffer?
That His obedience manifested His perfection, and that He became the author of eternal salvation...to those that obey Him?
Or something else?

So it wasn't temptation as a man, but emotions Jesus suffered?

Is that the context you are referring to?

So you don't think Jesus, as a man, had authority over the devil and that somehow, He was afraid of him?
How could Jesus grant such authority over powers of darkness to other men before His crucifixion?

Again, is that the context you were referring to?

[Hill Top]

Hilltop, the scriptures tell us YOUR righteousness is as filthy rages and that it is impossible to keep the law. If you are relying on your righteousness to allow you entrance into Heaven some day this would be a major mistake. Only Jesus' righteousness can get you into Heaven. If you are a Christian Jesus has exchanged His righteousness for your sins and trusting in His righteousness is your ticket into Heaven. We are not saved by our good works, thank God because no one can keep the law. When we are born again we become partakers of His divine nature. We, our spirit-man, is a new creation. Our soul is being renewed day by day as we renew our minds, Rom. 12:2, and our bodies are changed at the resurrection/rapture.

I don't mean to restart the debate but the first scripture above destroys all your talk about your righteousness by never sinning.

You are correct, and because of that I have killed the old man and been reborn of righteous seed that cannot bear the fruit of the devil.
It isn't "my righteousness", but His that I display in everyday life.

BTW, that "law" is written in the hearts of the reborn, and is in our divine nature to "keep".

[branham1965]

"WHEREFORE seeing we are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses,let us lay aside EVERY WEIGHT AND THE SIN WHICH DOTH SO EASILY BESET US AND LET US RUN WITH PATIENCE THE RACE THAT IS SET BEFORE US.LOOKING UNTO JESUS...

I Corinthians 5 tells of the fornicator in the church.2 Corinthians 7 Paul says he was renewed or restored.

Galatians 6:1-2 following talks about restoring fallen believers.

Jude talks about people twice dead plucked up by the roots.

The Bible teaches that a child of God can so sin as to be lost in hell.It also teaches backsliders can be restored James 5:14-20.

[branham1965]

Some people are of a different makeup than others.Saint Paul talks of this .He speaks of

the "weak in the faith." "bear the infirmities of the weak". See Romans 14 and 15:1

This divine apostolic teaching contradicts what is being affirmed on here by some.

[Hill Top]

"WHEREFORE seeing we are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses,let us lay aside EVERY WEIGHT AND THE SIN WHICH DOTH SO EASILY BESET US AND LET US RUN WITH PATIENCE THE RACE THAT IS SET BEFORE US.LOOKING UNTO JESUS...

I Corinthians 5 tells of the fornicator in the church.2 Corinthians 7 Paul says he was renewed or restored.

Care to show where the adulterer is restored?

Galatians 6:1-2 following talks about restoring fallen believers.

Gal 6:1..."Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted."
Where did you get the idea the "man" was a believer?
Paul indicates that a spiritual man bring in the faulted man, thus indicating that the faulted man was not spiritual.

Jude talks about people twice dead plucked up by the roots.

To what end?

The Bible teaches that a child of God can so sin as to be lost in hell.It also teaches backsliders can be restored James 5:14-20.

Isn't "hell" the future of all sinners?

Your justifications for sin serves nobody.

[Hill Top]

Some people are of a different makeup than others.Saint Paul talks of this .He speaks of

the "weak in the faith." "bear the infirmities of the weak". See Romans 14 and 15:1

This divine apostolic teaching contradicts what is being affirmed on here by some.

I see nothing that contradicts..."Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame." (1 Cor 15:34)

[branham1965]

Read 2 Corinthians 2.

"WHEREFORE seeing we are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses,let us lay aside EVERY WEIGHT AND THE SIN WHICH DOTH SO EASILY BESET US AND LET US RUN WITH PATIENCE THE RACE THAT IS SET BEFORE US.LOOKING UNTO JESUS...

I Corinthians 5 tells of the fornicator in the church.2 Corinthians 7 Paul says he was renewed or restored.

Care to show where the adulterer is restored?

Galatians 6:1-2 following talks about restoring fallen believers.

Gal 6:1..."Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted."
Where did you get the idea the "man" was a believer?
Paul indicates that a spiritual man bring in the faulted man, thus indicating that the faulted man was not spiritual.

Jude talks about people twice dead plucked up by the roots.

To what end?

The Bible teaches that a child of God can so sin as to be lost in hell.It also teaches backsliders can be restored James 5:14-20.

Isn't "hell" the future of all sinners?

Your justifications for sin serves nobody.

[Hill Top]

Read 2 Corinthians 2.

The fornicator isn't mentioned there.
It could just as well be the ones who went to court in front of the heathens, or even those bragging they were "of Apollos".
The gist of 2 Cor 2 is that forgiveness should be offered to all that reveal they were not yet really reborn of Godly seed.
That sort of forgiveness is offered to all who will permanently turn from all sin.
In some places that is called "conversion".

[branham1965]

That is not what that means.
I knew your seed false teaching would wrest these verses.
Paul is referring to the man in One Corinthians 5 chapter five. You always passover this teaching from the Word.Dude we have talked about this subject over a year and you are not about to listen to the Word.
Two Corinthians chapter two verses 6-7 refer to the man who repented.
2 Corinthians chapter 12 verses 14-21.This proves your church doctrine false.Read 19 dearly beloved-christians
20 they had sin in their church at Corinth.And committed sexual sin also verse 21.
Read acts 8.Simon believed and was baptized.Peter told him to repent and pray God to forgive him.
Your church teaches false doctrine.
1.You deny the trinity
2.You teach baptismal regeneration or water salvation
3.You teach that believers cannot backslide.
4.You are not only sinless and perfect (in your eyes)but are never tempted!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Read 2 Corinthians 2.

The fornicator isn't mentioned there.
It could just as well be the ones who went to court in front of the heathens, or even those bragging they were "of Apollos".
The gist of 2 Cor 2 is that forgiveness should be offered to all that reveal they were not yet really reborn of Godly seed.
That sort of forgiveness is offered to all who will permanently turn from all sin.
In some places that is called "conversion".