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Re: Green or Orange?

Post by Spiritblade Disciple » Fri Apr 05, 2019 10:14 pm

Hill Top wrote:
Fri Apr 05, 2019 12:07 am
This topic, "the times of the Lord", might be a good "new thread".
So, green or orange?


2 Thessalonians 2:10b-12 King James Version
... because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved... GOD SHALL SEND THEM STRONG DELUSION, that they should believe a lie: THAT THEY ALL MIGHT BE DAMNED who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

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Re: Green or Orange?

Post by Hill Top » Fri Apr 05, 2019 10:47 pm

Spiritblade Disciple wrote:
Fri Apr 05, 2019 10:14 pm
Hill Top wrote:
Fri Apr 05, 2019 12:07 am
This topic, "the times of the Lord", might be a good "new thread".
So, green or orange?
White...pure.



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Re: Green or Orange?

Post by Spiritblade Disciple » Fri Apr 05, 2019 11:07 pm

Hill Top wrote:
Fri Apr 05, 2019 10:47 pm
Spiritblade Disciple wrote:
Fri Apr 05, 2019 10:14 pm
Hill Top wrote:
Fri Apr 05, 2019 12:07 am
This topic, "the times of the Lord", might be a good "new thread".
So, green or orange?
White...pure.
So, neither Roman nor Protestant Catholic?


2 Thessalonians 2:10b-12 King James Version
... because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved... GOD SHALL SEND THEM STRONG DELUSION, that they should believe a lie: THAT THEY ALL MIGHT BE DAMNED who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

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Re: Green or Orange?

Post by luchnia » Sat Apr 06, 2019 7:04 am

Hill Top wrote:
Fri Apr 05, 2019 12:07 am
Unless Peter is referring to the gift of the Holy Spirit...which is the Spirit of Jesus Christ/Father...they are all One.
That gift had yet to be given to the unrepentant-unwashed, so was still in their future.
Since water is required for baptism, can you point out the scriptures that show where water is used in the baptsim of the Holy Spirit?


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Re: Green or Orange?

Post by Spiritblade Disciple » Sat Apr 06, 2019 9:27 am

Hill Top wrote:
Thu Apr 04, 2019 11:50 pm
If I tell a man to go to the hospital, do I also need to tell him to see a doctor for treatment?
Some people, you'd definitely have to tell them to see the doctor.


2 Thessalonians 2:10b-12 King James Version
... because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved... GOD SHALL SEND THEM STRONG DELUSION, that they should believe a lie: THAT THEY ALL MIGHT BE DAMNED who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

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Re: Green or Orange?

Post by Spiritblade Disciple » Sat Apr 06, 2019 9:28 am

Hill Top wrote:
Thu Apr 04, 2019 11:50 pm
Was Jesus baptized at a certain time? Or the Ethiopian? Or anyone else?
Don't know for sure, but that does not mean that when they were water baptized that it was not during one of the Times of Refreshing.


2 Thessalonians 2:10b-12 King James Version
... because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved... GOD SHALL SEND THEM STRONG DELUSION, that they should believe a lie: THAT THEY ALL MIGHT BE DAMNED who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

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Re: Green or Orange?

Post by Spiritblade Disciple » Sat Apr 06, 2019 9:32 am

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Thu Apr 04, 2019 11:50 pm
Why not just adhere to Peter's words in Acts 2:38...Turn from sins, get washed of past sins, and receive the gift of Holy Ghost?
Partial obedience is still disobedience.

Acts 3:19 King James Version
"Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, WHEN THE TIMES OF REFRESHING SHALL COME from the presence of the Lord"

Peter did not offer to water baptize the folks that he preached this message unto. Instead, he told them that they needed to get right so that their sins might be blotted out when the Times of Refreshing came from the Lord's presence. This indicates that water baptism is not sufficient in and of itself to remit past sins. Else, Peter would have said, like he said elsewhere, "Repent, and be baptized... for the remission of sins."

Water baptizing at random times and expecting remission of sins might not have as much scriptural merit as some think if not performed in conjunction with the Times of Refreshing.


2 Thessalonians 2:10b-12 King James Version
... because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved... GOD SHALL SEND THEM STRONG DELUSION, that they should believe a lie: THAT THEY ALL MIGHT BE DAMNED who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

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Re: Green or Orange?

Post by Spiritblade Disciple » Sat Apr 06, 2019 5:21 pm

Hill Top wrote:
Fri Apr 05, 2019 12:07 am
Spiritblade Disciple wrote:
Thu Apr 04, 2019 9:13 pm
If a baptizer and a repentant man fulfilled the requirements, Peter would not have spoken of future Times of Refreshing in Acts 3. To do so instead of baptizing, then and there, shows that Peter did not practice water baptism just because there might be converts present. Instead, he told them that there sins would be blotted out in the future if they repented and were converted when the next Times of Refreshing came from the Lord's presence.
What if they died before the "times"?
To imagine that there are seasonal variations in the love of God is ludicrous.
Why is that any more ludicrous than believing that God would not save someone just because they were not water baptized?


2 Thessalonians 2:10b-12 King James Version
... because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved... GOD SHALL SEND THEM STRONG DELUSION, that they should believe a lie: THAT THEY ALL MIGHT BE DAMNED who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

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Re: Green or Orange?

Post by luchnia » Sat Apr 06, 2019 5:32 pm

Spiritblade Disciple wrote:
Sat Apr 06, 2019 5:21 pm
Hill Top wrote:
Fri Apr 05, 2019 12:07 am
Spiritblade Disciple wrote:
Thu Apr 04, 2019 9:13 pm
If a baptizer and a repentant man fulfilled the requirements, Peter would not have spoken of future Times of Refreshing in Acts 3. To do so instead of baptizing, then and there, shows that Peter did not practice water baptism just because there might be converts present. Instead, he told them that there sins would be blotted out in the future if they repented and were converted when the next Times of Refreshing came from the Lord's presence.
What if they died before the "times"?
To imagine that there are seasonal variations in the love of God is ludicrous.
Why is that any more ludicrous than believing that God would not save someone just because they were not water baptized?
Thank you. There are many conditions on God's love.


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Re: Green or Orange?

Post by Spiritblade Disciple » Sat Apr 06, 2019 7:54 pm

luchnia wrote:
Sat Apr 06, 2019 5:32 pm
Spiritblade Disciple wrote:
Sat Apr 06, 2019 5:21 pm
Hill Top wrote:
Fri Apr 05, 2019 12:07 am
Spiritblade Disciple wrote:
Thu Apr 04, 2019 9:13 pm
If a baptizer and a repentant man fulfilled the requirements, Peter would not have spoken of future Times of Refreshing in Acts 3. To do so instead of baptizing, then and there, shows that Peter did not practice water baptism just because there might be converts present. Instead, he told them that there sins would be blotted out in the future if they repented and were converted when the next Times of Refreshing came from the Lord's presence.
What if they died before the "times"?
To imagine that there are seasonal variations in the love of God is ludicrous.
Why is that any more ludicrous than believing that God would not save someone just because they were not water baptized?
Thank you. There are many conditions on God's love.
So true, Luchnia.


2 Thessalonians 2:10b-12 King James Version
... because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved... GOD SHALL SEND THEM STRONG DELUSION, that they should believe a lie: THAT THEY ALL MIGHT BE DAMNED who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

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