Dake Bible Discussion Board ⇒ Pro-Life v. Baby Hitler

[Spiritblade Disciple]

Ben Shapiro, an Orthodox Jew who is very much pro-life, is in hot water for saying that no truly pro-life person would have killed "Baby Hitler."

https://www.thewrap.com/ben-shapiro-los ... marks/amp/

What do you think? Why is Shapiro right? Why is Shapiro wrong? What Bible passages support or refute Shapiro's position?

[branham1965]

No one knows what those beautiful baby boys and baby girls will grow up to be.
The world murdered 42 million unborn innocent babies last year.

As for Adolf Hitler he went from Time Magazines Man of the Year in 1938 to a mass murderer.
I am sure the innocent men,women and children he killed in the death camps in the Holocaust would want him dead .People lost their entire families to the Nazis.

A bunch of Allied Generals and brave Allied soldiers wanted him dead.
General Patton wanted to shoot him personally.
The Allies knew if Hitler died the war would be over.

Some of Hitlers Generals and Officers knew they were beaten and tried to blow him to kingdom come in 1944.They failed.He survived and said Providence saved him again.

The Israeli IDF and especially the Israeli Mossad would have killed him dead. Never Again is their motto.

[luchnia]

Ben Shapiro, an Orthodox Jew who is very much pro-life, is in hot water for saying that no truly pro-life person would have killed "Baby Hitler."

https://www.thewrap.com/ben-shapiro-los ... marks/amp/

What do you think? Why is Shapiro right? Why is Shapiro wrong? What Bible passages support or refute Shapiro's position?

If we had foreknowledge this would be another story entirely! If I remember correctly, it is implied of the betrayer that it would be better had he not have ever been born. Yet, he was born and did betray.

[Hill Top]

Ben Shapiro, an Orthodox Jew who is very much pro-life, is in hot water for saying that no truly pro-life person would have killed "Baby Hitler."
What do you think? Why is Shapiro right? Why is Shapiro wrong? What Bible passages support or refute Shapiro's position?

If one is "pro-life", they won't kill anyone for any reason.
Shapiro is right.

[Spiritblade Disciple]

Thanks for the replies, every one.

[branham1965]

Hey Roger,

What is your answer to this question?

Thanks for the replies, every one.

[Spiritblade Disciple]

Thanks for the replies, every one.

Hey Roger,

What is your answer to this question?

I think it would depend upon what was known. If it were known for a fact that he would implement the Final Solution and the Holocaust and that only killing him would prevent it, why wouldn't any sane person kill Baby Hitler? Not killing him while knowing the certainty that he would murder millions would be millions of times worse than Saul consenting to Stephen being killed (Acts 8:1).

I think this is why we are to pray that the wicked would be miscarried so that they never have the opportunity to carry out the atrocities that they would otherwise carry out.

Psalm 58:1-11 King James Version

LIKE THE UNTIMELY BIRTH OF A WOMAN

Do ye indeed speak righteousness, O congregation? do ye judge uprightly, O ye sons of men?

Yea, in heart ye work wickedness; ye weigh the violence of your hands in the earth.

The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies. Their poison is like the poison of a serpent: they are like the deaf adder that stoppeth her ear; which will not hearken to the voice of charmers, charming never so wisely.

Break their teeth, O God, in their mouth: break out the great teeth of the young lions, O LORD. Let them melt away as waters which run continually: when he bendeth his bow to shoot his arrows, let them be as cut in pieces. As a snail which melteth, let every one of them pass away: like the untimely birth of a woman, that they may not see the sun.

Before your pots can feel the thorns, He shall take them away as with a whirlwind, both living, and in His wrath.

The righteous shall rejoice when he seeth the vengeance: he shall wash his feet in the blood of the wicked. So that a man shall say, "Verily there is a reward for the righteous: verily He is a God that judgeth in the earth."

By failing to pray that the wicked would be miscarried, I think we give consent to the atrocities that they grow up to commit.

Let them melt away as a snail!

[Hill Top]

Thanks for the replies, every one.

Hey Roger,

What is your answer to this question?

I think it would depend upon what was known. If it were known for a fact that he would implement the Final Solution and the Holocaust and that only killing him would prevent it, why wouldn't any sane person kill Baby Hitler? Not killing him while knowing the certainty that he would murder millions would be millions of times worse than Saul consenting to Stephen being killed (Acts 8:1).

I think this is why we are to pray that the wicked would be miscarried so that they never have the opportunity to carry out the atrocities that they would otherwise carry out.

Psalm 58:1-11 King James Version

LIKE THE UNTIMELY BIRTH OF A WOMAN

Do ye indeed speak righteousness, O congregation? do ye judge uprightly, O ye sons of men?

Yea, in heart ye work wickedness; ye weigh the violence of your hands in the earth.

The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies. Their poison is like the poison of a serpent: they are like the deaf adder that stoppeth her ear; which will not hearken to the voice of charmers, charming never so wisely.

Break their teeth, O God, in their mouth: break out the great teeth of the young lions, O LORD. Let them melt away as waters which run continually: when he bendeth his bow to shoot his arrows, let them be as cut in pieces. As a snail which melteth, let every one of them pass away: like the untimely birth of a woman, that they may not see the sun.

Before your pots can feel the thorns, He shall take them away as with a whirlwind, both living, and in His wrath.

The righteous shall rejoice when he seeth the vengeance: he shall wash his feet in the blood of the wicked. So that a man shall say, "Verily there is a reward for the righteous: verily He is a God that judgeth in the earth."

By failing to pray that the wicked would be miscarried, I think we give consent to the atrocities that they grow up to commit.

Let them melt away as a snail!

What if someone had prayed that you would be miscarried?
You were wicked before you heard the words of repentance from and remission of past sins.
Weren't you?

[Spiritblade Disciple]

Thanks for the replies, every one.

Hey Roger,

What is your answer to this question?

I think it would depend upon what was known. If it were known for a fact that he would implement the Final Solution and the Holocaust and that only killing him would prevent it, why wouldn't any sane person kill Baby Hitler? Not killing him while knowing the certainty that he would murder millions would be millions of times worse than Saul consenting to Stephen being killed (Acts 8:1).

I think this is why we are to pray that the wicked would be miscarried so that they never have the opportunity to carry out the atrocities that they would otherwise carry out.

Psalm 58:1-11 King James Version

LIKE THE UNTIMELY BIRTH OF A WOMAN

Do ye indeed speak righteousness, O congregation? do ye judge uprightly, O ye sons of men?

Yea, in heart ye work wickedness; ye weigh the violence of your hands in the earth.

The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies. Their poison is like the poison of a serpent: they are like the deaf adder that stoppeth her ear; which will not hearken to the voice of charmers, charming never so wisely.

Break their teeth, O God, in their mouth: break out the great teeth of the young lions, O LORD. Let them melt away as waters which run continually: when he bendeth his bow to shoot his arrows, let them be as cut in pieces. As a snail which melteth, let every one of them pass away: like the untimely birth of a woman, that they may not see the sun.

Before your pots can feel the thorns, He shall take them away as with a whirlwind, both living, and in His wrath.

The righteous shall rejoice when he seeth the vengeance: he shall wash his feet in the blood of the wicked. So that a man shall say, "Verily there is a reward for the righteous: verily He is a God that judgeth in the earth."

By failing to pray that the wicked would be miscarried, I think we give consent to the atrocities that they grow up to commit.

Let them melt away as a snail!

What if someone had prayed that you would be miscarried?
You were wicked before you heard the words of repentance from and remission of past sins.
Weren't you?

If I was wicked in the sense that Psalm 58 speaks of, then someone certainly should have prayed that I would have been miscarried.

I believe that the Psalmist is not talking about normal sinners, but the truly wicked. Just as John the Baptist was born already righteous and filled with the Holy Ghost, some are born already twice dead and filled with evil spirits. It is my hope that such are as rare as John the Baptist.

[luchnia]

I think it would depend upon what was known. If it were known for a fact that he would implement the Final Solution and the Holocaust and that only killing him would prevent it, why wouldn't any sane person kill Baby Hitler? Not killing him while knowing the certainty that he would murder millions would be millions of times worse than Saul consenting to Stephen being killed (Acts 8:1).

I think this is why we are to pray that the wicked would be miscarried so that they never have the opportunity to carry out the atrocities that they would otherwise carry out.

In the day when there were men that could not be raised and receive eternal life death if an infant would have been destroyed it would spare many people great loss and destruction. We remember that David and others were to slay all those of the races that could not rise again. They had no possibility of a resurrection through salvation.

Hard to imagine offspring born from evil seed without any chance of salvation, yet events occurred that produced such. Foreknowledge is an amazing thing. If we knew what paths some would take on that broad way that leads to destruction, it would probably make us think much differently.