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Re: For those who think Dake believed in Tri-theism

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Hill Top wrote:
Thu Jan 24, 2019 11:00 pm
Ironman wrote:
Thu Jan 24, 2019 4:29 pm
Hill Top says God the Father does not have a throne, or sits on a literal throne.

God does not sit on a throne according to Hill Top who apparently does not have these Scriptures in his Bible.

Rev 4:2, "And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne."

Rev 4:3, And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald.

Rev 4:4, And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.

Rev 4:5, And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.

Rev 4:6, And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, were four beasts full of eyes before and behind.

Rev 4:9, And when those beasts give glory and honour and thanks to him that sat on the throne who liveth for ever and ever,

Rev 4:10, The four and twenty elders fall down before Him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying,

Rev 5:1, And I saw in the RIGHT HAND OF HIM that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.

Rev 5:6, And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.

Rev 5:7, And he came and took the book out of the right hand of the right hand of Him that sat upon the throne.

Rev 5:11, And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands;

Rev 5:13, And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto Him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.

Rev 6:16, And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the FACE of Him that sitteth on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb:

Rev 7:9, After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

Rev 7:10, And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.

Rev 7:11, And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,

Rev 7:15, Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: AND HE THAT SITTETH ON THE THRONE shall dwell among them.

How many more Scriptures do you need to get the point that God has a throne and God must have a body to sit on His throne?
You seem to have successfully refuted John 4:24.
Of course, I don't believe you have, but have shown that God can do anything that is needful...like using water as the blood of Christ at baptism is Jesus' name for the remission of sins.
If He needs a chair/throne for the impactful writer of Revelations...make a throne.
If He needs a way to manifest Himself in that throne...make a being that is "like a jasper and a sardine stone:"
It is clear, God cannot be completely defined.
You are wrong again. Your not off in the ditch, you have drowned in the bog.

God is a Spirit being, not the sun, moon, stars; nor an image of wood, stone, or metal; and not a beast or man. He is not air, wind, universal mind, love or some impersonal quality.
God is a person with a personal spirit body, a personal soul, and a personal spirit, like that of angels, and like that of man except His bodyis of spiritual substance instead of fleshandbones (Job 13:8; Hebrews 1:3).

Dake Bible Page 169, notes John 4:24, G.


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Re: For those who think Dake believed in Tri-theism

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Hill Top wrote:
Thu Jan 24, 2019 11:00 pm
You seem to have successfully refuted John 4:24.
Of course, I don't believe you have, but have shown that God can do anything that is needful...like using water as the blood of Christ at baptism is Jesus' name for the remission of sins.
If He needs a chair/throne for the impactful writer of Revelations...make a throne.
If He needs a way to manifest Himself in that throne...make a being that is "like a jasper and a sardine stone:"
It is clear, God cannot be completely defined.
These "manifestations" that you imply reads sort of like fairy tale and magic tricks. If a writer needs a throne, make one. If God needs a way to manifest Himself, He can make whatever it takes and follow no standards. When God manifest a throne and sits on it, is that a real throne or a made up one, or maybe yet an illusion from God? In other words, is that imaginative for the person reading about or seeing the event take place?

Interesting concept you teach and will definitely keep the believer in the dark about the Godhead as well as many other biblical concepts. The believer would never know which is real and which is not real. Based on this, one would question Jesus existence as well and all the miraculous things He did during His earthly life.

He may have simply been an imaginative manifestation appendage from God and not a real child born by the Holy Spirit, of a virgin, and placed in a manger. He could not have had a body and looked like His Father. Sadly He told people otherwise, but Jesus may have well been confused about who He was and is to this day.

Was Jesus death and resurrection real or some manifestation of God because Scripture does say that God raised Him? And to think believing in Him being raised from the dead is a saint's core belief structure. Now we simply cannot define any of it.


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Re: For those who think Dake believed in Tri-theism

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Ironman wrote:
Fri Jan 25, 2019 12:18 am

You are wrong again. Your not off in the ditch, you have drowned in the bog.

God is a Spirit being, not the sun, moon, stars; nor an image of wood, stone, or metal; and not a beast or man. He is not air, wind, universal mind, love or some impersonal quality.
God is a person with a personal spirit body, a personal soul, and a personal spirit, like that of angels, and like that of man except His body is of spiritual substance instead of flesh and bones (Job 13:8; Hebrews 1:3).
As our God is all powerful, and can manifest Himself in any form He chooses, it isn't beyond reason that He has on occasion shown Himself is a bodily form.
When He showed Himself to Moses and the seventy elders, in Ex:24, is a good example.
You are correct to write that He has no "flesh and bones", (though, if He desired to, He could manifest Himself as a man).
So what does a God with no flesh and bones need a throne for?
So we can perceive see Him in an authoritarian position worthy of our obedience.



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Re: For those who think Dake believed in Tri-theism

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luchnia wrote:
Fri Jan 25, 2019 7:19 am
Hill Top wrote:
Thu Jan 24, 2019 11:00 pm
You seem to have successfully refuted John 4:24.
Of course, I don't believe you have, but have shown that God can do anything that is needful...like using water as the blood of Christ at baptism is Jesus' name for the remission of sins.
If He needs a chair/throne for the impactful writer of Revelations...make a throne.
If He needs a way to manifest Himself in that throne...make a being that is "like a jasper and a sardine stone:"
It is clear, God cannot be completely defined.
These "manifestations" that you imply reads sort of like fairy tale and magic tricks. If a writer needs a throne, make one. If God needs a way to manifest Himself, He can make whatever it takes and follow no standards. When God manifest a throne and sits on it, is that a real throne or a made up one, or maybe yet an illusion from God? In other words, is that imaginative for the person reading about or seeing the event take place?
The "manifestations" were taken directly from scripture.
No "implications" were necessary.
Interesting concept you teach and will definitely keep the believer in the dark about the Godhead as well as many other biblical concepts. The believer would never know which is real and which is not real. Based on this, one would question Jesus existence as well and all the miraculous things He did during His earthly life.
Thankfully, I used what is written in the bible to get my points across.
Those in the dark have chosen that state so they can continue in rebellion to God.
He may have simply been an imaginative manifestation appendage from God and not a real child born by the Holy Spirit, of a virgin, and placed in a manger. He could not have had a body and looked like His Father. Sadly He told people otherwise, but Jesus may have well been confused about who He was and is to this day.
Did you get that from the bible?
Then you must have also seen where I got my "manifestations".
Was Jesus death and resurrection real or some manifestation of God because Scripture does say that God raised Him? And to think believing in Him being raised from the dead is a saint's core belief structure. Now we simply cannot define any of it.
You are really good at raising false scenarios whereby others can resist Godliness.



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Re: For those who think Dake believed in Tri-theism

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Hill Top wrote,
"Those in the dark have chosen that state so they can continue in rebellion to God."
.

Isn't denying the Holy Ghost is God and He has no body rebelling against God and His Word?

Were talking about the Holy Ghost here, not Casper the friendly ghost?


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Haz,

I agree with you 100% mate.

Ironman wrote:
Fri Jan 25, 2019 4:00 pm
Hill Top wrote,
"Those in the dark have chosen that state so they can continue in rebellion to God."
.

Isn't denying the Holy Ghost is God and He has no body rebelling against God and His Word?

Were talking about the Holy Ghost here, not Casper the friendly ghost?



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Re: For those who think Dake believed in Tri-theism

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Hill Top,

The fundamental Doctrine of the Protestant Reformation was JUSTIFICATION BY FAITH.
Ephesians 2:8-9





Hill Top wrote:
Fri Jan 25, 2019 2:05 pm
luchnia wrote:
Fri Jan 25, 2019 7:19 am
Hill Top wrote:
Thu Jan 24, 2019 11:00 pm
You seem to have successfully refuted John 4:24.
Of course, I don't believe you have, but have shown that God can do anything that is needful...like using water as the blood of Christ at baptism is Jesus' name for the remission of sins.
If He needs a chair/throne for the impactful writer of Revelations...make a throne.
If He needs a way to manifest Himself in that throne...make a being that is "like a jasper and a sardine stone:"
It is clear, God cannot be completely defined.
These "manifestations" that you imply reads sort of like fairy tale and magic tricks. If a writer needs a throne, make one. If God needs a way to manifest Himself, He can make whatever it takes and follow no standards. When God manifest a throne and sits on it, is that a real throne or a made up one, or maybe yet an illusion from God? In other words, is that imaginative for the person reading about or seeing the event take place?
The "manifestations" were taken directly from scripture.
No "implications" were necessary.
Interesting concept you teach and will definitely keep the believer in the dark about the Godhead as well as many other biblical concepts. The believer would never know which is real and which is not real. Based on this, one would question Jesus existence as well and all the miraculous things He did during His earthly life.
Thankfully, I used what is written in the bible to get my points across.
Those in the dark have chosen that state so they can continue in rebellion to God.
He may have simply been an imaginative manifestation appendage from God and not a real child born by the Holy Spirit, of a virgin, and placed in a manger. He could not have had a body and looked like His Father. Sadly He told people otherwise, but Jesus may have well been confused about who He was and is to this day.
Did you get that from the bible?
Then you must have also seen where I got my "manifestations".
Was Jesus death and resurrection real or some manifestation of God because Scripture does say that God raised Him? And to think believing in Him being raised from the dead is a saint's core belief structure. Now we simply cannot define any of it.
You are really good at raising false scenarios whereby others can resist Godliness.



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Re: For those who think Dake believed in Tri-theism

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I am saying i think that this discussion has went full circle.

It is pointless.
Hill Top wrote:
Thu Jan 24, 2019 9:58 pm
branham1965 wrote:
Thu Jan 24, 2019 2:22 pm
I am not sure what to post on this.Oh i could post things...

Seems there is a stale mate here. Sighs.
What/who is this addressed to?



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Re: For those who think Dake believed in Tri-theism

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Ironman wrote:
Fri Jan 25, 2019 4:00 pm
Hill Top wrote,
"Those in the dark have chosen that state so they can continue in rebellion to God."
.
Isn't denying the Holy Ghost is God and He has no body rebelling against God and His Word?
Show me one scripture that says the Holy Ghost is God.
Or one scripture that says the Holy Ghost has a body.



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Re: For those who think Dake believed in Tri-theism

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branham1965 wrote:
Fri Jan 25, 2019 4:41 pm
Hill Top,

The fundamental Doctrine of the Protestant Reformation was JUSTIFICATION BY FAITH.
Ephesians 2:8-9
Unfortunately, their "faith" did not include obedience to God.
They are as corrupt as what they sought to escape.



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