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For those who think Dake believed in Tri-theism

Post by bibleman » Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:50 am

Tri-theism is a word that some critics have used toward Dake’s understanding of the trinity. But nothing could be father from the truth. In it’s most simple sense, tri-theism is the belief in polytheism or the belief that there is more than one God. This is something Dake did not believe and never taught.

“Henry C. Thiessen” gives an excellent discourse on Tri-theism in which he defines Tri-theism as well as it’s opposite extreme, Modalism.

“The doctrine of the trinity must be distinguished from both Tri-theism and Sabellianism. Tri-theism denies the unity of the essence of God and holds to three distinct Gods. The only unity that it recognizes is the unity of purpose and endeavor. God is a unity of essence as well as of purpose and endeavor. The three persons are consubstantial. Sabellianism held to a trinity of revelation, but not of nature. It taught that God, as Father, is the creator and lawgiver; as Son, is the same God incarnate who fulfills the office of redeemer; and as Holy Spirit, is the same God in the work of regeneration and sanctification. In other words, Sabellianism taught a modal trinity as distinguished from an ontological trinity. Modalism speaks of a threefold nature of God, in the same sense in which a man may be an artist, a teacher, and a friend, or as one may be a father, a son, and a brother. But this is in reality a denial of the doctrine of the trinity for these are not three distinctions in the essence, but three qualities or relationships in one and the same person.”

Notice Tri-theism denies the unity of the essence of God and holds to three distinct Gods. It recognizes a unity of purpose and endeavor, but not a unity of essence. As we have seen, Dake recognizes a unity of essence which Tri-theism denies.

“TRINITY. This means the union of three persons - the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit in one (unified) Godhead or divinity - so that all three persons are one in unity and eternal substance, but three separate and distinct persons as to individuality (1 John 5:7-8; Daniel 7:9-14; Matthew 3:16-17; 28:19; Acts 7:56-59).”
Dake Does Not Teach Tri-theism

Tri-theism has to do with three separate gods, who are unrelated. Dake does not teach this. Dake teaches three separate “persons” in the one “substance” of the Godhead. This is completely orthodox. Nowhere in the Dake’s writings will we find him saying that there are “three gods.” It is simply not there.

Theologian Milliard Erickson tells us: “Monotheism is deeply implanted in the Hebrew Christian tradition. God is one, not several. The unity of God may be compared to the unity of husband and wife, but we must keep in mind that we are dealing with one God, not a joining of separate entities. God is three persons at every moment of time.” We find Dake in complete agreement with this quote.

Dake’s definition of the trinity speaks both to the threeness and the oneness of God. In fact since Dake declares that the Godhead is one in “unity and eternal substance,” no claim of tri-theism could possible be made, or as Ryrie puts it: ““the phrase the same in substance (or perhaps better, essence) protects against tri-theism.”

Combating The Jesus Only Movement

Early in Dake’s life and in his movement there was a strong teaching going around concerning the “Jesus Only” teaching or what later became known as the “Oneness” movement. In his writings, Dake stressed the threeness of God in an effort to combat the fallacies of the “Oneness” movement. Some have taken this emphasis on the threeness of God to mean that Dake leaned over on the side of Sabellianism or Tri-theism. As we have seen above this is not the case. Another citation from God’s Plan for Man makes this even more clear. In regard to the plural name of God, Elohim, Dake writes: “The one Elohim then is not one person, or one in number, but one in unity. Elohim is not a divided Deity, but three persons in one God, or one Deity.” Take note, Dake says that Elohim is not a divided Deity, but three persons in one God, or one Deity.

After examining the facts, we see that Dake was not a Tri-theist nor did he believe in separating the Divine essence or substance. For Dake the choice was a Biblical one: “Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord:” Deuteronomy 6:4.


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Re: For those who think Dake believed in Tri-theism

Post by branham1965 » Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:16 pm

Thank you Pastor Bible. :angel: :angel:



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Re: For those who think Dake believed in Tri-theism

Post by Spiritblade Disciple » Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:17 pm

Very interesting.

Thank you for posting this, Leon.

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Re: For those who think Dake believed in Tri-theism

Post by luchnia » Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:31 pm

bibleman wrote:
Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:50 am
Tri-theism is a word that some critics have used toward Dake’s understanding of the trinity. But nothing could be father from the truth. In it’s most simple sense, tri-theism is the belief in polytheism or the belief that there is more than one God. This is something Dake did not believe and never taught.

“Henry C. Thiessen” gives an excellent discourse on Tri-theism in which he defines Tri-theism as well as it’s opposite extreme, Modalism.

“The doctrine of the trinity must be distinguished from both Tri-theism and Sabellianism. Tri-theism denies the unity of the essence of God and holds to three distinct Gods. The only unity that it recognizes is the unity of purpose and endeavor. God is a unity of essence as well as of purpose and endeavor. The three persons are consubstantial. Sabellianism held to a trinity of revelation, but not of nature. It taught that God, as Father, is the creator and lawgiver; as Son, is the same God incarnate who fulfills the office of redeemer; and as Holy Spirit, is the same God in the work of regeneration and sanctification. In other words, Sabellianism taught a modal trinity as distinguished from an ontological trinity. Modalism speaks of a threefold nature of God, in the same sense in which a man may be an artist, a teacher, and a friend, or as one may be a father, a son, and a brother. But this is in reality a denial of the doctrine of the trinity for these are not three distinctions in the essence, but three qualities or relationships in one and the same person.”

Notice Tri-theism denies the unity of the essence of God and holds to three distinct Gods. It recognizes a unity of purpose and endeavor, but not a unity of essence. As we have seen, Dake recognizes a unity of essence which Tri-theism denies.

“TRINITY. This means the union of three persons - the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit in one (unified) Godhead or divinity - so that all three persons are one in unity and eternal substance, but three separate and distinct persons as to individuality (1 John 5:7-8; Daniel 7:9-14; Matthew 3:16-17; 28:19; Acts 7:56-59).”
Dake Does Not Teach Tri-theism

Tri-theism has to do with three separate gods, who are unrelated. Dake does not teach this. Dake teaches three separate “persons” in the one “substance” of the Godhead. This is completely orthodox. Nowhere in the Dake’s writings will we find him saying that there are “three gods.” It is simply not there.

Theologian Milliard Erickson tells us: “Monotheism is deeply implanted in the Hebrew Christian tradition. God is one, not several. The unity of God may be compared to the unity of husband and wife, but we must keep in mind that we are dealing with one God, not a joining of separate entities. God is three persons at every moment of time.” We find Dake in complete agreement with this quote.

Dake’s definition of the trinity speaks both to the threeness and the oneness of God. In fact since Dake declares that the Godhead is one in “unity and eternal substance,” no claim of tri-theism could possible be made, or as Ryrie puts it: ““the phrase the same in substance (or perhaps better, essence) protects against tri-theism.”

Combating The Jesus Only Movement

Early in Dake’s life and in his movement there was a strong teaching going around concerning the “Jesus Only” teaching or what later became known as the “Oneness” movement. In his writings, Dake stressed the threeness of God in an effort to combat the fallacies of the “Oneness” movement. Some have taken this emphasis on the threeness of God to mean that Dake leaned over on the side of Sabellianism or Tri-theism. As we have seen above this is not the case. Another citation from God’s Plan for Man makes this even more clear. In regard to the plural name of God, Elohim, Dake writes: “The one Elohim then is not one person, or one in number, but one in unity. Elohim is not a divided Deity, but three persons in one God, or one Deity.” Take note, Dake says that Elohim is not a divided Deity, but three persons in one God, or one Deity.

After examining the facts, we see that Dake was not a Tri-theist nor did he believe in separating the Divine essence or substance. For Dake the choice was a Biblical one: “Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord:” Deuteronomy 6:4.
Great post. I agree that Dake did not teach tri-theism. Scripture (at least the records we have), only record and mention three in the Godhead, but fact is none of us know if it is more than that because the terms used are plurality.

Can you imagine if one day we find out the Godhead is a larger number than what we thought and expands across the infinite government of God? The expanse of that is WAAAYYYYY too much for my little pea brain, but it is kind of exciting!


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Re: For those who think Dake believed in Tri-theism

Post by bibleman » Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:36 pm

luchnia wrote:
Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:31 pm
bibleman wrote:
Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:50 am
Tri-theism is a word that some critics have used toward Dake’s understanding of the trinity. But nothing could be father from the truth. In it’s most simple sense, tri-theism is the belief in polytheism or the belief that there is more than one God. This is something Dake did not believe and never taught.

“Henry C. Thiessen” gives an excellent discourse on Tri-theism in which he defines Tri-theism as well as it’s opposite extreme, Modalism.

“The doctrine of the trinity must be distinguished from both Tri-theism and Sabellianism. Tri-theism denies the unity of the essence of God and holds to three distinct Gods. The only unity that it recognizes is the unity of purpose and endeavor. God is a unity of essence as well as of purpose and endeavor. The three persons are consubstantial. Sabellianism held to a trinity of revelation, but not of nature. It taught that God, as Father, is the creator and lawgiver; as Son, is the same God incarnate who fulfills the office of redeemer; and as Holy Spirit, is the same God in the work of regeneration and sanctification. In other words, Sabellianism taught a modal trinity as distinguished from an ontological trinity. Modalism speaks of a threefold nature of God, in the same sense in which a man may be an artist, a teacher, and a friend, or as one may be a father, a son, and a brother. But this is in reality a denial of the doctrine of the trinity for these are not three distinctions in the essence, but three qualities or relationships in one and the same person.”

Notice Tri-theism denies the unity of the essence of God and holds to three distinct Gods. It recognizes a unity of purpose and endeavor, but not a unity of essence. As we have seen, Dake recognizes a unity of essence which Tri-theism denies.

“TRINITY. This means the union of three persons - the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit in one (unified) Godhead or divinity - so that all three persons are one in unity and eternal substance, but three separate and distinct persons as to individuality (1 John 5:7-8; Daniel 7:9-14; Matthew 3:16-17; 28:19; Acts 7:56-59).”
Dake Does Not Teach Tri-theism

Tri-theism has to do with three separate gods, who are unrelated. Dake does not teach this. Dake teaches three separate “persons” in the one “substance” of the Godhead. This is completely orthodox. Nowhere in the Dake’s writings will we find him saying that there are “three gods.” It is simply not there.

Theologian Milliard Erickson tells us: “Monotheism is deeply implanted in the Hebrew Christian tradition. God is one, not several. The unity of God may be compared to the unity of husband and wife, but we must keep in mind that we are dealing with one God, not a joining of separate entities. God is three persons at every moment of time.” We find Dake in complete agreement with this quote.

Dake’s definition of the trinity speaks both to the threeness and the oneness of God. In fact since Dake declares that the Godhead is one in “unity and eternal substance,” no claim of tri-theism could possible be made, or as Ryrie puts it: ““the phrase the same in substance (or perhaps better, essence) protects against tri-theism.”

Combating The Jesus Only Movement

Early in Dake’s life and in his movement there was a strong teaching going around concerning the “Jesus Only” teaching or what later became known as the “Oneness” movement. In his writings, Dake stressed the threeness of God in an effort to combat the fallacies of the “Oneness” movement. Some have taken this emphasis on the threeness of God to mean that Dake leaned over on the side of Sabellianism or Tri-theism. As we have seen above this is not the case. Another citation from God’s Plan for Man makes this even more clear. In regard to the plural name of God, Elohim, Dake writes: “The one Elohim then is not one person, or one in number, but one in unity. Elohim is not a divided Deity, but three persons in one God, or one Deity.” Take note, Dake says that Elohim is not a divided Deity, but three persons in one God, or one Deity.

After examining the facts, we see that Dake was not a Tri-theist nor did he believe in separating the Divine essence or substance. For Dake the choice was a Biblical one: “Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord:” Deuteronomy 6:4.
Great post. I agree that Dake did not teach tri-theism. Scripture (at least the records we have), only record and mention three in the Godhead, but fact is none of us know if it is more than that because the terms used are plurality.

Can you imagine if one day we find out the Godhead is a larger number than what we thought and expands across the infinite government of God? The expanse of that is WAAAYYYYY too much for my little pea brain, but it is kind of exciting!
I have often thought about that... with the pea brain I have as well.


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Re: For those who think Dake believed in Tri-theism

Post by branham1965 » Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:47 pm

No offence meant here.

I do not believe God is any more than what He revealed He is in the Bible.

God the Father ,God the Son - the Lord Jesus Christ and God the Holy Ghost 1 John 5:7;Matthew 28:18-20,2 Corinthians 13:14.

Reverend Dake said on a recording on youtube... " No no one can go beyond what is written in the Bible...don't you let that little inquisitive mind get the better of you.."
He told an anonymous questioner ....don't be a baby all of your life... " you can have all the eternal security you want if you are just as persuaded as Paul was...you have to behave yourself...but you are not going to live a life of sin and get by..the Lord will help you if you give half a try ...now don't you get mad at me ...i will see you in the judgement...

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Re: For those who think Dake believed in Tri-theism

Post by Hill Top » Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:54 pm

branham1965 wrote:
Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:47 pm
No offence meant here.

I do not believe God is any more than what He revealed He is in the Bible.

God the Father ,God the Son - the Lord Jesus Christ and God the Holy Ghost 1 John 5:7;Matthew 28:18-20,2 Corinthians 13:14.

Reverend Dake said on a recording on youtube... " No no one can go beyond what is written in the Bible...don't you let that little inquisitive mind get the better of you.."
He told an anonymous questioner ....don't be a baby all of your life... " you can have all the eternal security you want if you are just as persuaded as Paul was...you have to behave yourself...but you are not going to live a life of sin and get by..the Lord will help you if you give half a try ...now don't you get mad at me ...i will see you in the judgement...

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I can't find "God the Son" or "God the Holy Ghost" in the bible?



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Re: For those who think Dake believed in Tri-theism

Post by branham1965 » Wed Jan 16, 2019 2:01 pm

From your posts i think you are a Oneness believer.
You do not believe in the Trinity is that right??
Hill Top wrote:
Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:54 pm
branham1965 wrote:
Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:47 pm
No offence meant here.

I do not believe God is any more than what He revealed He is in the Bible.

God the Father ,God the Son - the Lord Jesus Christ and God the Holy Ghost 1 John 5:7;Matthew 28:18-20,2 Corinthians 13:14.

Reverend Dake said on a recording on youtube... " No no one can go beyond what is written in the Bible...don't you let that little inquisitive mind get the better of you.."
He told an anonymous questioner ....don't be a baby all of your life... " you can have all the eternal security you want if you are just as persuaded as Paul was...you have to behave yourself...but you are not going to live a life of sin and get by..the Lord will help you if you give half a try ...now don't you get mad at me ...i will see you in the judgement...

He was all man.I never saw a chest like his.
I can't find "God the Son" or "God the Holy Ghost" in the bible?



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Re: For those who think Dake believed in Tri-theism

Post by Hill Top » Wed Jan 16, 2019 2:11 pm

branham1965 wrote:
Wed Jan 16, 2019 2:01 pm
From your posts i think you are a Oneness believer.
You do not believe in the Trinity is that right??
For the sole reason that a false religion came up with the term "trinity", I can't believe it.
I believe in the Word, and that He was "with God and that He was God".
I believe the Word was manifested in the flesh, as Jesus Christ.
I believe that God is a spirit, and that the Holy Ghost emanates from Him.

That's four manifestations of God.
The Word
The Father
Spirit
Holy Ghost

We also know that "God is light", and "He is a consuming fire".



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Re: For those who think Dake believed in Tri-theism

Post by branham1965 » Wed Jan 16, 2019 2:30 pm

The Word is JESUS CHRIST John 1:1.

The Holy Spirit is HE John 14-16 and is the same as the Holy Ghost in the KJV.

THE SON JESUS DELIVERS THE KINGDOM TO THE FATHER IN 1 CORINTHIANS 15:24-28.

God is a Divine Trinity of the Father,the Son and the Holy Spirit Matthew 28:18-20
Please see page 280 notes on 1 John in the Dake Bible.



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