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Re: THREE BAPTISMS

Post by macca » Sun Jan 13, 2019 10:53 am

luchnia wrote:
Sun Jan 13, 2019 8:52 am
macca wrote:
Sun Jan 13, 2019 3:14 am
Ed has resurrected :mrgreen:
Ok, I give. Who is Ed?



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Re: THREE BAPTISMS

Post by branham1965 » Sun Jan 13, 2019 12:54 pm

Has it been that long??
I hope he is well.I wish he would come back. :Fade-color
He was a good debater. :mrgreen:

macca wrote:
Sun Jan 13, 2019 10:53 am
luchnia wrote:
Sun Jan 13, 2019 8:52 am
macca wrote:
Sun Jan 13, 2019 3:14 am
Ed has resurrected :mrgreen:
Ok, I give. Who is Ed?



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Re: THREE BAPTISMS

Post by Hill Top » Sun Jan 13, 2019 9:59 pm

luchnia wrote:
Sun Jan 13, 2019 6:19 am
...He is much more adamant than Mr. Hilltop is about water baptism. At least Mr. Hilltop only believes water baptism remits past sins.
That's what Acts 2:38 says, and I believe Peter.
It is also our way "into" Christ, not to mention the means by which we are entered into Jesus' death, burial, and resurrection with Christ. (Rom 6:3-6)
Without water baptism are flesh will not be 'circumcised' without hands. (Col 2:11-12)
We will be condemned to continue life in the flesh instead of in the Spirit. (Rom 8:8-9)

BTW, water baptism is only part of what is required for salvation.
Faith/belief, repentance from sin, the gift of the Holy Ghost, continued obedience to God, and loving our neighbors as we love ourselves are also required for salvation.
Withdrawing even one block from this "wall" will cause one to have his name erased from the book of life.



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Re: THREE BAPTISMS

Post by luchnia » Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:26 am

Hill Top wrote:
Sun Jan 13, 2019 9:59 pm
That's what Acts 2:38 says, and I believe Peter.
It is also our way "into" Christ, not to mention the means by which we are entered into Jesus' death, burial, and resurrection with Christ. (Rom 6:3-6)
Without water baptism are flesh will not be 'circumcised' without hands. (Col 2:11-12)
We will be condemned to continue life in the flesh instead of in the Spirit. (Rom 8:8-9)

BTW, water baptism is only part of what is required for salvation.
Faith/belief, repentance from sin, the gift of the Holy Ghost, continued obedience to God, and loving our neighbors as we love ourselves are also required for salvation.
Withdrawing even one block from this "wall" will cause one to have his name erased from the book of life.
You and I disagree with the meaning of Acts 2:38 as well as many other scriptures you use. You perceive Acts 2:38 means TO remit sins. I believe it is FOR or BECAUSE of the remission of sins by the belief in a man's heart that God raised Jesus from the dead.

Repentance is required before baptism as in the case of Acts 2:38. I understand your view, yet I disagree that water baptism is required for salvation and that Peter was teaching water baptism to remit sins. (1Jn. 1:9; Rom. 10:9-10; Eph. 2:8-9; Rom. 1:16; 3:24-25; 5:1)

Acts 2:37-39 (KJV)
37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.


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Re: THREE BAPTISMS

Post by Hill Top » Mon Jan 14, 2019 1:57 pm

luchnia wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:26 am
You and I disagree with the meaning of Acts 2:38 as well as many other scriptures you use. You perceive Acts 2:38 means TO remit sins. I believe it is FOR or BECAUSE of the remission of sins by the belief in a man's heart that God raised Jesus from the dead.
Then you better show the verses that point to another means, or way our old sins were remitted.
Repentance is required before baptism as in the case of Acts 2:38. I understand your view, yet I disagree that water baptism is required for salvation and that Peter was teaching water baptism to remit sins. (1Jn. 1:9; Rom. 10:9-10; Eph. 2:8-9; Rom. 1:16; 3:24-25; 5:1)
So a man must confess his sins; believe in the heart and vocally say that God raised Jesus from the dead; in order to get on the road to salvation. Your last three citings seemed to be effects of the first two verses, so aren't really "ways to salvation".
Both your first two verses happen at baptism "in Jesus' name", in water.
In some cases sins are confessed, but in all cases baptism is done in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins.
Your doctrine does all the things baptism does without the actual baptism.!
Acts 2:37-39 (KJV)
37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
...and 3000 went and got baptized.

If your doctrine is correct, why did Philip baptize the Ethiopian eunuch?
Why did Peter baptize Cornelius?
Why did Paul baptize the twelve at Ephesus?
The quick answer is that your doctrine is not the doctrine of Philip, Paul, or Peter.



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Re: THREE BAPTISMS

Post by luchnia » Tue Jan 15, 2019 6:42 am

Hill Top wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 1:57 pm
Then you better show the verses that point to another means, or way our old sins were remitted.
References to verses and full chapters have been given. Why do they need to be reposted?


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Re: THREE BAPTISMS

Post by branham1965 » Tue Jan 15, 2019 10:26 am

A elderly old friend of mine -a WW2 vet in my wedding -once said its sometimes best to put some things on the shelf.If folks debate ,debate ,debate with no result shelf it.Give it a rest for a bit.
I say that with no ill will to Hill Top or anyone else here.


I have posted some +CrazyEyes on here.Dear Lord. :agrue:



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Re: THREE BAPTISMS

Post by Hill Top » Tue Jan 15, 2019 1:40 pm

luchnia wrote:
Tue Jan 15, 2019 6:42 am
References to verses and full chapters have been given. Why do they need to be reposted?
I answered to your verses: why not answer my questions?



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Re: THREE BAPTISMS

Post by Hill Top » Tue Jan 15, 2019 1:43 pm

branham1965 wrote:
Tue Jan 15, 2019 10:26 am
A elderly old friend of mine -a WW2 vet in my wedding -once said its sometimes best to put some things on the shelf.If folks debate ,debate ,debate with no result shelf it.Give it a rest for a bit.
I say that with no ill will to Hill Top or anyone else.
I have posted some on here.Dear Lord.
If a man won't take the "life-vest", should I just let him drown?



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Re: THREE BAPTISMS

Post by branham1965 » Tue Jan 15, 2019 3:28 pm

Hill Top,

I learned about water baptism in my home Church in Warren,Ohio.
I married a Church of Christ girl and attended there.
I was friends with Preachers there.
I went to Bishop Posey's Church and was blessed.

Your doctrine is a mixture of Campbellism and Oneness Apostolic doctrine with a caveat.

According to your church of 16 believers (maybe?) Christians to you cannot miss it,sin,fail,and backslide.

That is false doctrine contrary to the entire Holy Bible.




Hill Top wrote:
Tue Jan 15, 2019 1:43 pm
branham1965 wrote:
Tue Jan 15, 2019 10:26 am
A elderly old friend of mine -a WW2 vet in my wedding -once said its sometimes best to put some things on the shelf.If folks debate ,debate ,debate with no result shelf it.Give it a rest for a bit.
I say that with no ill will to Hill Top or anyone else.
I have posted some on here.Dear Lord.
If a man won't take the "life-vest", should I just let him drown?



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