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luchnia wrote:
Thu Jan 10, 2019 12:42 pm
Saying that water baptism is required for salvation brings a huge problem into focus when you think of why John baptized Jesus. If water remitted old sins and saved, then why baptize Jesus for the remission of old sins, since He did not have any?

Did Jesus need a pardon? Did He need to be cleaned from all unrighteousness? Ever thought that Jesus did this to signify His entrance to the priesthood or some other requirements under the OT in order that all righteousness be fulfilled before His death?
Jesus' baptism was a fulfillment of prophesy.
As the Levites were washed, in Num. 8:16-21, so too was Jesus washed before He assumed the roll of priest.



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If Hill top is correct we must believe that when Jesus died on the cross and His Spirit and Soul went down into hell for 3 days and 3 nights, that that is when Jesus baptized all the Old Testament saints so as they could go to heaven with Jesus....
For up till that time none of them were saved according to Hill Top......

Oh, but wait, Hill top believes that the dead know nothing????? so now we must believe Jesus knew nothing for those 3 days and nights He was dead.......poor Old Testament saints are still somewhere knowing nothing????????/

God was dead and knew nothing,,, yea sure pull the other leg its got bells on it.

If we are not saved until we are baptized in water, then that makes the person that baptizes greater than Jesus and has put another mediator between God and man...

You are preaching another gospel that is not the gospel of Christ Hill Top.

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:angel: :angel: :angel: I am with you macca.
macca wrote:
Fri Jan 11, 2019 3:41 am
If Hill top is correct we must believe that when Jesus died on the cross and His Spirit and Soul went down into hell for 3 days and 3 nights, that that is when Jesus baptized all the Old Testament saints so as they could go to heaven with Jesus....
For up till that time none of them were saved according to Hill Top......

Oh, but wait, Hill top believes that the dead know nothing????? so now we must believe Jesus knew nothing for those 3 days and nights He was dead.......poor Old Testament saints are still somewhere knowing nothing????????/

God was dead and knew nothing,,, yea sure pull the other leg its got bells on it.

If we are not saved until we are baptized in water, then that makes the person that baptizes greater than Jesus and has put another mediator between God and man...

You are preaching another gospel that is not the gospel of Christ Hill Top.

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Re: THREE BAPTISMS

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Hill Top wrote:
Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:40 pm
Yes, just as "eight souls were saved by water", "baptism doth also now save us ... by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:"
So let me get this straight. The eight souls saved by water were somehow immersed in water and not saved FROM the water? I thought scripture showed them taken into the Ark and God protecting them FROM the water? I must have misunderstood how God saved them. He must have immersed them IN the water before saving them FROM the water.


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macca wrote:
Fri Jan 11, 2019 3:41 am
If Hill top is correct we must believe that when Jesus died on the cross and His Spirit and Soul went down into hell for 3 days and 3 nights,
If the hell you cite is the grave, we agree...so far.
that that is when Jesus baptized all the Old Testament saints so as they could go to heaven with Jesus....
For up till that time none of them were saved according to Hill Top......
Why would Jesus baptize OT saints?
They had the Mosaic Law for the forgiveness of their sins.
Oh, but wait, Hill top believes that the dead know nothing????? so now we must believe Jesus knew nothing for those 3 days and nights He was dead.......poor Old Testament saints are still somewhere knowing nothing????????/
Jesus never committed a sin, so death couldn't hold Him.
He told the thief on the cross that he would be with Him in paradise that day.
As for OT saints...Though some were seen after Jesus' resurrection, the rest will wait, with modern day saints, for the return of Christ to be raised again
God was dead and knew nothing,,, yea sure pull the other leg its got bells on it.
Nothing is written of what the Son of God 'knew' before His resurrection.
If we are not saved until we are baptized in water, then that makes the person that baptizes greater than Jesus and has put another mediator between God and man.
Is that a joke?
Why would yo think the instrument the Lord uses is greater that the Lord who uses it?
Those who baptize, like John the baptist, Peter, Philip, and Paul, are all servants of the Lord.
Doing the Lord's commandments.
You are preaching another gospel that is not the gospel of Christ Hill Top.
macca
It is written..."He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned."
Why get baptized if you don't believe?

Here's some 'good news'...We can all live without committing sin now !
But it requires a real repentance from sin, and rebirth.
I hope the only differences between our beliefs is the manner of our rebirth.
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luchnia wrote:
Fri Jan 11, 2019 9:25 am
So let me get this straight. The eight souls saved by water were somehow immersed in water and not saved FROM the water? I thought scripture showed them taken into the Ark and God protecting them FROM the water? I must have misunderstood how God saved them. He must have immersed them IN the water before saving them FROM the water.
The scripture doesn't say they were "immersed in water".
It says..."...while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us ... by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:'
Thanks be to God for the mechanisms that allow the washing away of our past sins and simultaneously killing the old man, burying him, and allowing us to be raised with Christ to walk in newness of life.
Thanks be to God for making it so we can be "in Christ", so His blood can be applied to us for our sanctification and justification.



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Hill Top where is your rebuttal of the Apostle Paul for his statement in 1. Cor 1:17; For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel.......??????
and also 1 Cor. 15:1-11; where baptize is not included in Paul's gospel?????????



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macca wrote:
Sat Jan 12, 2019 4:27 am
Hill Top where is your rebuttal of the Apostle Paul for his statement in 1. Cor 1:17; For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel.......??????
I see no reason for the necessity of a rebuttal.
Paul's main mission was to make folks aware that Christ had died for their past sins.
Everything else was supplemental.
Repentance from sin is necessary for salvation, but it is part of the message for those who take joy in the fact a Savior is available to them.
Receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost is necessary for salvation too, but is part of a second level of teaching after the men were introduced to the grace of God.
and also 1 Cor. 15:1-11; where baptize is not included in Paul's gospel?????????\
What would be the point, if the folks showed no interest in serving God?
One step a time.
We, and Paul, have to have an "opener" in order to proceed with the details.



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Ed has resurrected :mrgreen:



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:mrgreen: :lol!:


macca wrote:
Sun Jan 13, 2019 3:14 am
Ed has resurrected :mrgreen:



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