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Re: The failure of holding fast.

Post by branham1965 » Fri Jan 04, 2019 8:40 pm

You have any one particular in mind??

Is this what this is ,taking shots at each other in cleverly constructed sanitized posts??



luchnia wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 12:50 pm
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Of the untold numbers who have prayed the Sinner's Prayer, it is very likely that the vast majority have never been saved.
Sadly and even disturbing is the fact that your point may be "on the money" so to state.

I have seen a few genuine conversions and they did not come from the "sinners prayer" but from a pierced heart. I will be the first to admit, I have only seen a small few what I believe to be true conversions, but I knew from the changed life and new path being walked they were true.

My guess is many today are "playing" the game and are not converted as their lives do not reflect it. So many operate on emotions that are sparked by smooth talking preachers that tickle the ears of the listener. As Dake implies in one of his books one must come to God and TRULY RECOGNIZE that they are a sinner and in need of saving.

I think the evidence of a new life must be exhibited from a sincere heart. Old things don't exist to one that is made new as they have been put away. To me, it is obvious if one repents and doesn't forsake sin they still belong to the devil and haven't changed.

Repentance and forsaking sin would indicate a solid conversion in the heart of an individual. It is my opinion that those that think they will sin their way to eternal life will be in for a shrewd awakening when they cross over the portal to their eternal destiny.



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Re: The failure of holding fast.

Post by Spiritblade Disciple » Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:27 pm

branham1965 wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 10:44 am
Anyone teaching that a person cannot cry out to the Lord and confess their sins and receive Christ into their heart as Savior and Lord is :neutral:
Psalm 18:41 King James Version
They cried, but there was none to save them: even unto the LORD, but He answered them not.

Matthew 7:21 King James Version
"Not every one that saith unto Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter into the Kingdom of Heaven; but he that doeth the will of My Father which is in Heaven."
[saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven] No person merely professing faith in Me and My atoning work will be saved, "but he that doeth the will of My Father" (Mt. 7:21; 1Pet. 4:18; Heb. 12:14; Jas. 1:19-27; Rom. 6:16-23; 8:12-13).

— Dake's Annotated Reference Bible: Containing the Old and New Testaments of the Authorized or King James Version Text.
Is confessing sin enough? Or is forsaking sin necessary?

Proverbs 28:13 King James Version
He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.

1 John 3:7-10 King James Version
Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as He is righteous. He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for His seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

Those that sin aren't saved. Those that call on Him, even confessing their sins, aren't heard if they still regard iniquity (desire to sin) in their heart.

Psalm 66:18 King James Version
If I regard iniquity in my heart, the Lord will not hear me
[If I regard iniquity in my heart, the Lord will not hear me] Regarding iniquity in the heart is the reason for many unanswered prayers. The writer says, If I had seen iniquity in my heart and encouraged it; if I had pretended to be what I was not; and if I had loved iniquity while I professed to pray and be sorry for my sin, the Lord (Hebrew: 'Adonay (HSN-<H136>), Supporter) would not have heard me. I would have been left without His help and support in my time of trouble. See 1Jn. 3:20-22; 5:14-15.

— Dake's Annotated Reference Bible: Containing the Old and New Testaments of the Authorized or King James Version Text.
Those that have sinful desires are not saved because those that are Christ's have crucified the flesh and its sinful desires.

Galatians 5:24 King James Version
And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

As Dake says, "All true Christians have done this" (crucified the flesh with its affections and lusts).

Of the untold numbers who have prayed the Sinner's Prayer, it is very likely that the vast majority have never been saved.

May His Kingdom come and His will be done, in Earth as in Heaven.


Acts 10:42-43 King James Version
"And He commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is He which was ordained of God to be the Judge of Quick and Dead. To Him give all the Prophets witness, that through His Name WHOSEVER BELIEVETH IN HIM SHALL RECEIVE REMISSION OF SINS."

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Re: The failure of holding fast.

Post by branham1965 » Sat Jan 05, 2019 1:20 am

Some people are professional condemners .They are hard on others but not themselves.They never try to feel any empathy,compassion,sympathy for other people.
They like to look down their noses at others.
When Gwen Wilkerson got cancer in the 80's these kind were saying she must have sin in her life and condemned her.Her husband the late Reverend David Wilkerson was not amused.
When Christian leaders fell these condemners did not weep or feel heartbroken are you kidding? Condemners looked down their noses in condemnation.

But many are not that way.They want to give what they have received Life from Jesus Christ. Many Churches and ministries have wonderful incredible outreaches to help broken people with problems of all kinds.They have help for people vexed with bondages and addictions to pornography,to drugs,to alcohol,gambling,anger etc.These Churches minister life ,love,help ,hope and healing to those in need.
They are doing what JESUS said to identify Himself in Luke 4:18-19.



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Re: The failure of holding fast.

Post by luchnia » Sat Jan 05, 2019 8:22 am

branham1965 wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 8:40 pm
You have any one particular in mind??

Is this what this is ,taking shots at each other in cleverly constructed sanitized post
No one in particular in mind. If you want, you can simply look on the TV, or youtube and you can take your pick. There are plenty there.

As far as your second sentence, why perceive that my posts are "taking shots at each other in cleverly constructed sanitized post."? You perceive something as you desire to. How do you know from the typed text that my posts is anything other than helping others grow in grace and knowledge of our lord Jesus?

Why not simply realize that each of us that desire the best for God's saints can discuss in love and lifting up the servant Jesus? Did Jesus not love when He turned over the money changer tables, or called Herod "that fox"?

If He is the pinnacle of how we are to love, then why is it wrong to point out error from truth just as Jesus did? He even commanded it. Are we not to follow Him in that endeavor as well as all that He taught us?


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Re: The failure of holding fast.

Post by branham1965 » Sat Jan 05, 2019 8:38 am

I think you are spot on. :angel: :angel: :angel: I was the one who was off center.My bad.Thank you luchnia.
luchnia wrote:
Sat Jan 05, 2019 8:22 am
branham1965 wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 8:40 pm
You have any one particular in mind??

Is this what this is ,taking shots at each other in cleverly constructed sanitized post
No one in particular in mind. If you want, you can simply look on the TV, or youtube and you can take your pick. There are plenty there.

As far as your second sentence, why perceive that my posts are "taking shots at each other in cleverly constructed sanitized post."? You perceive something as you desire to. How do you know from the typed text that my posts is anything other than helping others grow in grace and knowledge of our lord Jesus?

Why not simply realize that each of us that desire the best for God's saints can discuss in love and lifting up the servant Jesus? Did Jesus not love when He turned over the money changer tables, or called Herod "that fox"?

If He is the pinnacle of how we are to love, then why is it wrong to point out error from truth just as Jesus did? He even commanded it. Are we not to follow Him in that endeavor as well as all that He taught us?



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Re: The failure of holding fast.

Post by Spiritblade Disciple » Sat Jan 05, 2019 12:35 pm

branham1965 wrote:
Sat Jan 05, 2019 1:20 am
Some people are professional condemners .They are hard on others but not themselves.They never try to feel any empathy,compassion,sympathy for other people.
They like to look down their noses at others.
When Gwen Wilkerson got cancer in the 80's these kind were saying she must have sin in her life and condemned her.Her husband the late Reverend David Wilkerson was not amused.
When Christian leaders fell these condemners did not weep or feel heartbroken are you kidding? Condemners looked down their noses in condemnation.

But many are not that way.They want to give what they have received Life from Jesus Christ. Many Churches and ministries have wonderful incredible outreaches to help broken people with problems of all kinds.They have help for people vexed with bondages and addictions to pornography,to drugs,to alcohol,gambling,anger etc.These Churches minister life ,love,help ,hope and healing to those in need.
They are doing what JESUS said to identify Himself in Luke 4:18-19.
Sounds like these "professional condemners" need to get saved.


Acts 10:42-43 King James Version
"And He commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is He which was ordained of God to be the Judge of Quick and Dead. To Him give all the Prophets witness, that through His Name WHOSEVER BELIEVETH IN HIM SHALL RECEIVE REMISSION OF SINS."

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Re: The failure of holding fast.

Post by Hill Top » Mon Jan 07, 2019 12:45 pm

Ironman wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 7:20 pm
Turning from sin and pleading with God the shed blood of Jesus Christ to cover ones sins is not a sin and to say otherwise is sin in my humble opinion.
I agree completely'
The answer to that prayer for the "covering of sins"...or scripturally said "remission of sins" is baptism in the name of Jesus Christ.."for the remission of sins: (Acts 2:38)
To pray for remission, then refuse baptism to that end, is to keep one's sins instead of turning from them and having them washed away by the blood of Christ.
“David’s prayer of repentance,” King David was not a lost person before he sinned against God. David was a believer, a saint who acknowledges his sins, he has just committed adultery with Bathsheba, and he has conspired to murder her husband in battle; 2 Samuel chapter 11. The LORD sent the Prophet Nathan to rebuke David in chapter 12.
After meeting with Nathan, David prayed in Psalm 51: “Have mercy upon me, O God, according to thy lovingkindness: according unto the multitude of thy tender mercies blot out my transgressions. Wash me throughly from mine iniquity, and cleanse me from my sin. For I acknowledge my transgressions: and my sin is ever before me.Against thee, thee only, have I sinned, and done this evil in thy sight: that thou mightest be justified when thou speakest, and be clear when thou judgest. thy holy spirit from me.”
The men of the OT had all the ways of atonement supplied by God through the Mosaic Law.
The men of the OT could not yet be reborn so they could walk in the Spirit instead of in the flesh.
Luke 18: 13, And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
If the publican was serious about his sorrow, (2 Cor 7:10), he was in effect an ex-sinner.
More sin afterward would manifest his prayer, and turn from sin, as a lie.
His prayer would not be heard.
Romans 10: 9-10, That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. V 10, For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Shall we find a biblical example of that happening?
Acts 22:16..."And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord."

Sorry to have posted twice to the same questions.
I've been off line for a few days and wasn't aware I had already answered this.



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Re: The failure of holding fast.

Post by branham1965 » Tue Jan 08, 2019 6:51 am

NO ONE on here that i know believes in :

1.baptismal regeneration

2.that a child of God cannot sin and lose their salvation

3.That if a Christian sins they cannot confess that sin unto God.

REVEREND DAKE'S TEACHINGS FROM THE WORD OF GOD :angel: :angel: :angel:

HE TAUGHT SANCTIFICATION AND HOLINESS FROM THE WORD.
HE TAUGHT SALVATION AND WATER BAPTISM FROM THE WORD.
HE TAUGHT CHRISTIANS CAN BACKSLIDE AND CAN BE RESTORED FROM THE WORD.



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Re: The failure of holding fast.

Post by luchnia » Tue Jan 08, 2019 12:50 pm

Spiritblade Disciple wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:27 pm
Those that sin aren't saved. Those that call on Him, even confessing their sins, aren't heard if they still regard iniquity (desire to sin) in their heart.
Some key words in that sentence that really sets the two types of people apart are "if they still regard iniquity in their heart." A good example of a saved person that fell and still regarded iniquity in his heart was Judas.

One might ask what level of sincerity is required to make sure there is nothing there that might hinder a man's progress with God?

In my opinion, when a man's heart is given over to the Lord, it is all of him. Temptation that leads to sin is powerful if one gets drawn away.

Someone once told me about what "so and so" was doing and I said, I have mirror that I must look into so that I might see myself first.


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Re: The failure of holding fast.

Post by luchnia » Tue Jan 08, 2019 12:59 pm

branham1965 wrote:
Tue Jan 08, 2019 6:51 am
NO ONE on here that i know believes in :

1.baptismal regeneration

2.that a child of God cannot sin and lose their salvation

3.That if a Christian sins they cannot confess that sin unto God.

REVEREND DAKE'S TEACHINGS FROM THE WORD OF GOD :angel: :angel: :angel:

HE TAUGHT SANCTIFICATION AND HOLINESS FROM THE WORD.
HE TAUGHT SALVATION AND WATER BAPTISM FROM THE WORD.
HE TAUGHT CHRISTIANS CAN BACKSLIDE AND CAN BE RESTORED FROM THE WORD.
I think you need to include the word water, because we all were baptismally regenerated, but water had nothing to do with it. I am sure you are referring to water baptism though :-D .

I only met a few in over 40 years that believe in baptismal regeneration by water, or like doctrine. I found that most of the misunderstanding was that they always associated the word water when the word baptism was used. They could not understand that baptism in most cases has nothing to do with water.

No physical element can immerse one into Christ or immerse one into the Spirit.


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