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Is disputing and argument wrong? Paul did not think so.

Post by luchnia » Thu Dec 27, 2018 8:21 am

Acts 19:8-12 (KJV)
8 And he went into the synagogue, and spake boldly for the space of three months, disputing and persuading the things concerning the kingdom of God.
9 But when divers were hardened, and believed not, but spake evil of that way before the multitude, he departed from them, and separated the disciples, disputing daily in the school of one Tyrannus.
10 And this continued by the space of two years; so that all they which dwelt in Asia heard the word of the Lord Jesus, both Jews and Greeks.
11 And God wrought special miracles by the hands of Paul:
12 So that from his body were brought unto the sick handkerchiefs or aprons, and the diseases departed from them, and the evil spirits went out of them.

Can you imagine two straight years of daily arguing and debating God's word? Even three months in the synagogue seems much. We must be some real softies when it comes to speaking boldly disputing and persuading with God's word. Apparently Paul did not think it wrong to do what he did and he did it with great miracles from God!


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Re: Is disputing and argument wrong? Paul did not think so.

Post by Hill Top » Thu Dec 27, 2018 11:46 pm

luchnia wrote:
Thu Dec 27, 2018 8:21 am
Acts 19:8-12 (KJV)
8 And he went into the synagogue, and spake boldly for the space of three months, disputing and persuading the things concerning the kingdom of God.
9 But when divers were hardened, and believed not, but spake evil of that way before the multitude, he departed from them, and separated the disciples, disputing daily in the school of one Tyrannus.
10 And this continued by the space of two years; so that all they which dwelt in Asia heard the word of the Lord Jesus, both Jews and Greeks.
11 And God wrought special miracles by the hands of Paul:
12 So that from his body were brought unto the sick handkerchiefs or aprons, and the diseases departed from them, and the evil spirits went out of them.

Can you imagine two straight years of daily arguing and debating God's word? Even three months in the synagogue seems much. We must be some real softies when it comes to speaking boldly disputing and persuading with God's word. Apparently Paul did not think it wrong to do what he did and he did it with great miracles from God!
Is this the same Paul that was told... "And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord. " (Acts 22:16) ?



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Re: Is disputing and argument wrong? Paul did not think so.

Post by branham1965 » Wed Jan 02, 2019 3:10 am

It can be wrong

when it involves fussing,strife ,bad blood,ill will ,cliques,and grudges.

In fact it may qualify as a work of the flesh.Galatians 5:19-21.

Paul condemned it to Timothy see 1 Timothy chapter 1 and chapter 6.

Also 2 Timothy 2:14-16.



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Re: Is disputing and argument wrong? Paul did not think so.

Post by luchnia » Wed Jan 02, 2019 7:17 am

branham1965 wrote:
Wed Jan 02, 2019 3:10 am
It can be wrong

when it involves fussing,strife ,bad blood,ill will ,cliques,and grudges.

In fact it may qualify as a work of the flesh.Galatians 5:19-21.

Paul condemned it to Timothy see 1 Timothy chapter 1 and chapter 6.

Also 2 Timothy 2:14-16.
Yes, if it has evil intent behind it, it is wrong. Paul always condemned evil, but never condemned refutation when it came to what was right in God's word. It is all about what is required for edification. Appealing to one's "feel good" emotions does little to the whole of edification.

Remember Paul's confrontation with Peter? From the confrontational aspect one might say that was evil, yet that led to Peter's vision. God respected Peter and gave him a vision of what was right and wrong about the matter. It appears that Paul's conscience was clear about it because of his intent toward what is right and true in his heart and wanted the right thing for Peter.

When a man truly cares and lifts up his brothers in Christ the intent is right because his desire for the person is God's desire. To argue for the sake of destroying another is wrong, but to argue for the sake of bringing the light of Christ is right.


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Re: Is disputing and argument wrong? Paul did not think so.

Post by branham1965 » Wed Jan 02, 2019 6:31 pm

I think you might be missing my point.Peter and Paul were Apostles of Jesus Christ.

When there were issues in the early Church they went to the God ordained leaders of the Church cf Acts 15. In the order of the New Testament Church (Ephesians 4) is for those in Spiritual Authority - the Elders,the Presbytery and especially the Pastor are the ones to do the correcting and helping today.


Not laymen and unknown strangers on a Bible board.

The cults say the same thing about "helping" others.They are trying to save our souls ie they are all right and we are all wrong,we need to buy into their bill of goods etc.etc.



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Re: Is disputing and argument wrong? Paul did not think so.

Post by Spiritblade Disciple » Wed Jan 02, 2019 6:52 pm

branham1965 wrote:
Wed Jan 02, 2019 6:31 pm
I think you might be missing my point.Peter and Paul were Apostles of Jesus Christ.

When there were issues in the early Church they went to the God ordained leaders of the Church cf Acts 15. In the order of the New Testament Church (Ephesians 4) is for those in Spiritual Authority - the Elders,the Presbytery and especially the Pastor are the ones to do the correcting and helping today.


Not laymen and unknown strangers on a Bible board.

The cults say the same thing about "helping" others.They are trying to save our souls ie they are all right and we are all wrong,we need to buy into their bill of goods etc.etc.
This begs the following questions:

1. How do you know which church is the True Church of the Living God?
2. How do you know who are truly God ordained elders of the True Church of the Living God?
3. Is such a church universal? Or, does it only exist when true Christians meet in person?
— 3B. How do you know who is a true Christian?
4. If laymen and strangers on a Bible board cannot help one another, what is the point of this board?


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Re: Is disputing and argument wrong? Paul did not think so.

Post by Ironman » Wed Jan 02, 2019 7:08 pm

Spiritblade Disciple wrote:
Wed Jan 02, 2019 6:52 pm
branham1965 wrote:
Wed Jan 02, 2019 6:31 pm
I think you might be missing my point.Peter and Paul were Apostles of Jesus Christ.

When there were issues in the early Church they went to the God ordained leaders of the Church cf Acts 15. In the order of the New Testament Church (Ephesians 4) is for those in Spiritual Authority - the Elders,the Presbytery and especially the Pastor are the ones to do the correcting and helping today.


Not laymen and unknown strangers on a Bible board.

The cults say the same thing about "helping" others.They are trying to save our souls ie they are all right and we are all wrong,we need to buy into their bill of goods etc.etc.
This begs the following questions:

1. How do you know which church is the True Church of the Living God?
2. How do you know who are truly God ordained elders of the True Church of the Living God?
3. Is such a church universal? Or, does it only exist when true Christians meet in person?
— 3B. How do you know who is a true Christian?
4. If laymen and strangers on a Bible board cannot help one another, what is the point of this board?
God's true church by Finus Jennings Dake.

Jesus Christs church is not a building or a particular religious group with some special name? The new Testament Church, of which Jesus Christ is the head is a called out body of people of all nations who have been born again and who have lived a true Christian life and died in the faith. It also includes all those who are alive in Christ today. This present church is called the "ekklesia" of the New Testament times, called out of this world to evangelize the world in this age.

The church, in its largest signification is the whole company of redeemed in all ages, in Heaven and in Earth (Eph. 3:1-11; Heb. 12:23). It is the spiritual people who have been made members of the universial family of God. The church in this sense is the body of Christ, and it does not consist of saved and unsaved. It is not a group of individuals associated together for social and benevolent purposes, as seems to be on every hand in most worldly church gatherings. It is the body of people indwelt by God through the Holy Spirit and through whom God works in the world.


Galatians 4: 16, Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?

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Re: Is disputing and argument wrong? Paul did not think so.

Post by Spiritblade Disciple » Wed Jan 02, 2019 7:13 pm

Ironman wrote:
Wed Jan 02, 2019 7:08 pm
Spiritblade Disciple wrote:
Wed Jan 02, 2019 6:52 pm
branham1965 wrote:
Wed Jan 02, 2019 6:31 pm
I think you might be missing my point.Peter and Paul were Apostles of Jesus Christ.

When there were issues in the early Church they went to the God ordained leaders of the Church cf Acts 15. In the order of the New Testament Church (Ephesians 4) is for those in Spiritual Authority - the Elders,the Presbytery and especially the Pastor are the ones to do the correcting and helping today.


Not laymen and unknown strangers on a Bible board.

The cults say the same thing about "helping" others.They are trying to save our souls ie they are all right and we are all wrong,we need to buy into their bill of goods etc.etc.
This begs the following questions:

1. How do you know which church is the True Church of the Living God?
2. How do you know who are truly God ordained elders of the True Church of the Living God?
3. Is such a church universal? Or, does it only exist when true Christians meet in person?
— 3B. How do you know who is a true Christian?
4. If laymen and strangers on a Bible board cannot help one another, what is the point of this board?
God's true church by Finus Jennings Dake.

Jesus Christs church is not a building or a particular religious group with some special name? The new Testament Church, of which Jesus Christ is the head is a called out body of people of all nations who have been born again and who have lived a true Christian life and died in the faith. It also includes all those who are alive in Christ today. This present church is called the "ekklesia" of the New Testament times, called out of this world to evangelize the world in this age.

The church, in its largest signification is the whole company of redeemed in all ages, in Heaven and in Earth (Eph. 3:1-11; Heb. 12:23). It is the spiritual people who have been made members of the universial family of God. The church in this sense is the body of Christ, and it does not consist of saved and unsaved. It is not a group of individuals associated together for social and benevolent purposes, as seems to be on every hand in most worldly church gatherings. It is the body of people indwelt by God through the Holy Spirit and through whom God works in the world.
Great quote, Haz.

But, it only carries weight if Dake was a true Christian that was a truly God ordained elder in the True Church of the Living God. And, even then, he's still a stranger to those that didn't personally know him.


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Re: Is disputing and argument wrong? Paul did not think so.

Post by Hill Top » Wed Jan 02, 2019 11:07 pm

Ironman wrote:
Wed Jan 02, 2019 7:08 pm
God's true church by Finus Jennings Dake.

Jesus Christs church is not a building or a particular religious group with some special name? The new Testament Church, of which Jesus Christ is the head is a called out body of people of all nations who have been born again and who have lived a true Christian life and died in the faith. It also includes all those who are alive in Christ today. This present church is called the "ekklesia" of the New Testament times, called out of this world to evangelize the world in this age.

The church, in its largest signification is the whole company of redeemed in all ages, in Heaven and in Earth (Eph. 3:1-11; Heb. 12:23). It is the spiritual people who have been made members of the universial family of God. The church in this sense is the body of Christ, and it does not consist of saved and unsaved. It is not a group of individuals associated together for social and benevolent purposes, as seems to be on every hand in most worldly church gatherings. It is the body of people indwelt by God through the Holy Spirit and through whom God works in the world.
Thanks for the quote, Ironman.
This begs the question...Can people who are "indwelt by God through the Holy Spirit" commit theft, adultery, lies, murder or covetousness ?



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Re: Is disputing and argument wrong? Paul did not think so.

Post by branham1965 » Thu Jan 03, 2019 6:50 am

Amen Haz.

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Ironman wrote:
Wed Jan 02, 2019 7:08 pm
Spiritblade Disciple wrote:
Wed Jan 02, 2019 6:52 pm
branham1965 wrote:
Wed Jan 02, 2019 6:31 pm
I think you might be missing my point.Peter and Paul were Apostles of Jesus Christ.

When there were issues in the early Church they went to the God ordained leaders of the Church cf Acts 15. In the order of the New Testament Church (Ephesians 4) is for those in Spiritual Authority - the Elders,the Presbytery and especially the Pastor are the ones to do the correcting and helping today.


Not laymen and unknown strangers on a Bible board.

The cults say the same thing about "helping" others.They are trying to save our souls ie they are all right and we are all wrong,we need to buy into their bill of goods etc.etc.
This begs the following questions:

1. How do you know which church is the True Church of the Living God?
2. How do you know who are truly God ordained elders of the True Church of the Living God?
3. Is such a church universal? Or, does it only exist when true Christians meet in person?
— 3B. How do you know who is a true Christian?
4. If laymen and strangers on a Bible board cannot help one another, what is the point of this board?
God's true church by Finus Jennings Dake.

Jesus Christs church is not a building or a particular religious group with some special name? The new Testament Church, of which Jesus Christ is the head is a called out body of people of all nations who have been born again and who have lived a true Christian life and died in the faith. It also includes all those who are alive in Christ today. This present church is called the "ekklesia" of the New Testament times, called out of this world to evangelize the world in this age.

The church, in its largest signification is the whole company of redeemed in all ages, in Heaven and in Earth (Eph. 3:1-11; Heb. 12:23). It is the spiritual people who have been made members of the universial family of God. The church in this sense is the body of Christ, and it does not consist of saved and unsaved. It is not a group of individuals associated together for social and benevolent purposes, as seems to be on every hand in most worldly church gatherings. It is the body of people indwelt by God through the Holy Spirit and through whom God works in the world.



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