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Re: Politics And Christians

Post by bibleman » Thu Oct 11, 2018 8:25 am

Hill Top wrote:
Wed Oct 10, 2018 11:13 pm
bibleman wrote:
Wed Oct 10, 2018 2:21 pm
If we all do what you do then we allow FULL - UNBRIDLED evil to rule and reign.
How can we do that?
Voting for the lesser of two evils won't change the dynamic of "this" world.
"We" are not of this world. (Eph 2:2)
Let the dead elect the dead.
Well if that be the case why not...

Let the devil spend your money for you.
Let the devil tell you who to marry.
Let the devil raise your children for you.
Let the devil tell you what kind of car to drive.
Let the devil tell you what kind of clothes to wear.

And on and on...

No we are responsible for this world we are in and should do our part to make it better as best we can.

To withdraw and turn it over to the Devil is not an option for the Christian who loves his fellow man.


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Re: Politics And Christians

Post by Hill Top » Thu Oct 11, 2018 1:20 pm

Grandfather wrote:
Wed Oct 10, 2018 11:46 pm
Thank you for proving my point. Even you did not know this was possible until you web searched. However youo realized now how few and how far these are. Even with this few, there are politicians that benifit, support and encoourage them. You can’t get away from people.
"Your" point?
I think you got that backwards.
I live in a state where citizens initiatives are constantly in the paper.
These are brought forward without any politicians.
My vote to forestall recreational pot use doesn't need any politicians.
Your defense of the lesser of two evils is palpable...and scary.



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Re: Politics And Christians

Post by Hill Top » Thu Oct 11, 2018 1:28 pm

Grandfather wrote:
Wed Oct 10, 2018 11:53 pm
I'm not trying to convince you to vote. I'm trying to persuade you not to pass judgement on those that do.
It is written..."But he that is spiritual judgeth all things,.." (1 Cor 2:15)

Here is my 'judgement' of those who vote for 'men'.
They are still of "this" world, and have yet to rely on God to cause "all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose." (Rom 8:28)
They think their input will matter.



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Re: Politics And Christians

Post by Hill Top » Thu Oct 11, 2018 1:33 pm

bibleman wrote:
Thu Oct 11, 2018 8:25 am
Well if that be the case why not...
Let the devil spend your money for you.
Let the devil tell you who to marry.
Let the devil raise your children for you.
Let the devil tell you what kind of car to drive.
Let the devil tell you what kind of clothes to wear.
And on and on...
Why not?
Because I love God above all else.
I realize that God gives and takes away without my asking...as "He knows what things I have need of".
No we are responsible for this world we are in and should do our part to make it better as best we can.
To withdraw and turn it over to the Devil is not an option for the Christian who loves his fellow man.
I have "withdrawn and turned it over to God".

The lesser of two evils is still evil.



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Re: Politics And Christians

Post by luchnia » Thu Oct 11, 2018 3:34 pm

Hill Top wrote:
Thu Oct 11, 2018 1:33 pm
I have "withdrawn and turned it over to God".
Most interesting that you have withdrawn and turned over to God the responsibility that He turned over to you.


Word up!

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Re: Politics And Christians

Post by Ironman » Thu Oct 11, 2018 4:58 pm

All administrators of human government, when they rule contrary to the law of God will be punished in due time by God for mismanagement of their authority. God never sanctions selfish and wicked administration of authority, and if such continues long it will be overthrown. Men are under obligation to obey human government when, and as long as the requirements are not inconsistent with the moral law's of God.

Christians must always obey "every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the King, as supreme; or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evil doers, and for the praise of them that do well. For such is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men" (1 Pet. 2:13-17).

Many Christians argue that it is sinful to partake in politics, that it is contrary to the Bible because human government is maintained by force, and that force is contrary with the spirit of the gospel. These are false theories. Human government was instituted by God as shown above, and Christians are commanded in the New Testament to pay taxes and otherwise support government (Read Rom. 13:1-7; 1 Pet. 2:13-17).

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Re: Politics And Christians

Post by Grandfather » Thu Oct 11, 2018 7:36 pm

Hill Top wrote:
Thu Oct 11, 2018 1:20 pm
Grandfather wrote:
Wed Oct 10, 2018 11:46 pm
Thank you for proving my point. Even you did not know this was possible until you web searched. However youo realized now how few and how far these are. Even with this few, there are politicians that benifit, support and encoourage them. You can’t get away from people.
"Your" point?
I think you got that backwards.
I live in a state where citizens initiatives are constantly in the paper.
These are brought forward without any politicians.
My vote to forestall recreational pot use doesn't need any politicians.
Your defense of the lesser of two evils is palpable...and scary.
I will assume you are from Arkansas since the website you posted was from there. If you will re-read the site, there were 162 ballot measures and 76, less than half, were from petitions of citizens. Now, follow the link to citizens and dig a little and you will discover that a majority of those were sponsored or encouraged by political office holders but not legislators. (technical difference, both were voted into an office)

And perhaps the reason my defense if palpable - capable of being true - is because there is truth there.

As I said earlier, you do not have to vote, that is between you and the Lord. But for those that do vote, again it is between them and the Lord. He judges them, not you.



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Re: Politics And Christians

Post by Grandfather » Thu Oct 11, 2018 7:52 pm

Hill Top wrote:
Thu Oct 11, 2018 1:28 pm
Grandfather wrote:
Wed Oct 10, 2018 11:53 pm
I'm not trying to convince you to vote. I'm trying to persuade you not to pass judgement on those that do.
It is written..."But he that is spiritual judgeth all things,.." (1 Cor 2:15)
It is also written --- Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? It is before his own master that he stands or falls. (Romans 14:4) ---- Why do you pass judgment on your brother? Or you, why do you despise your brother? Rom 14:10
Hill Top wrote:
Thu Oct 11, 2018 1:28 pm
Here is my 'judgement' of those who vote for 'men'.
They are still of "this" world, and have yet to rely on God to cause "all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose." (Rom 8:28)
They think their input will matter.
And indeed if all things work, then both those that vote and those that abstain from voting are right in doing so. Much like those that of those that eat and those that abstain from eating... Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him. (Rom 14:3)



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Re: Politics And Christians

Post by Hill Top » Thu Oct 11, 2018 11:12 pm

luchnia wrote:
Thu Oct 11, 2018 3:34 pm
Most interesting that you have withdrawn and turned over to God the responsibility that He turned over to you.
I have no responsibility to vote for the lesser of two evils.



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Re: Politics And Christians

Post by Hill Top » Thu Oct 11, 2018 11:23 pm

Grandfather wrote:
Thu Oct 11, 2018 7:36 pm
I will assume you are from Arkansas since the website you posted was from there. If you will re-read the site, there were 162 ballot measures and 76, less than half, were from petitions of citizens. Now, follow the link to citizens and dig a little and you will discover that a majority of those were sponsored or encouraged by political office holders but not legislators. (technical difference, both were voted into an office)
Your assumption is wrong.
76 were petitions from citizens.
We needed no politicians for those issues.
And perhaps the reason my defense if palpable - capable of being true - is because there is truth there.
As I said earlier, you do not have to vote, that is between you and the Lord. But for those that do vote, again it is between them and the Lord. He judges them, not you.
I am glad I have your "permission" not to vote for the lesser of two evils.



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