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Re: IS THE EARTH FLAT???? KYRIE SAYS SO!!!

Post by Spiritblade Disciple » Thu Jul 12, 2018 8:50 pm

Ironman wrote:
Thu Jul 12, 2018 5:26 pm
The Bible says the heavens cannot be measured, [THAT CUTS THE FLAT EARTH UNDER A DOME THEORY TO PIECES] and the host of Heaven cannot be counted (Jer. 31:37 ; 33:22-25).
There's are heavens beyond our firmament. We cannot physically access those. Therefore, they cannot be measured. Same for the hosts of those heavens beyond the dome.

Furthermore, there's no proof that anyone has measured the inside of the dome with any accuracy.

Neither Jer. 31:37 nor Jer. 33:22-25 pose any problem to the biblical flat-earth model.

However, modern science does claim to have measured the heavens, the interior of the earth, and the sands of the sea. They even claim to know exactly when the Big Bang occurred.
Rob Skiba wrote:http://robschannel.com/jeremiah-31-vs-n ... an-science

Jeremiah 31 vs NASA and Monkey-man Science
by Rob | Mar 11, 2017 | Bible, Blogs, Flat Earth, Israel, science fiction
Jeremiah 31:
35 Thus saith the Lord, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The Lord of hosts is his name:

36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the Lord, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.

37 Thus saith the Lord; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the Lord.
Now this is a VERY interesting passage of Scripture, which may shed some light on the “motive” for the global lie. Here we see that if either the sun, moon or stars were to depart or change their ordinances before GOD, then (true) Israel will cease to exist forever. Israel is the Bride of the God (see the books of Exodus; Jeremiah; Hosea; Romans 7-11; Revelation 21). If Satan can cause a problem with the various Heavenly Luminaries, then he can cause GOD to obliterate His own Bride.

Please note:

1) While NASA and other space agencies apparently can’t do much against the sun or the stars, they did bomb the moon a few years ago.

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2) NASA and monkey-man science has claimed to “measure the heavens” going so far as to claim to know the exact details of the first micro-second of the Big Bang, and thereby extrapolating the extent of the universe’s expansion.

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3) Monkey-man science has given us picture after picture (or I should say, artist renderings) of the core of our world. They claim to know the exact composition of Earth’s “foundations” (when in fact, no one has actually been able to go deeper than about 12 miles). But, here again, we have “science” claiming to have “searched out the Earth beneath” and to have conclusively defined it.

If monkey-man science was true, then according to the above, Israel (the ONLY Bride of the Divine listed in Scripture) would have to be “cast off” and “cease” to exist.

Fortunately for all of us natural or grafted in olive tree branches, we are finding more and more that NASA and monkey-man science are lying to us.

-Rob Skiba


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Re: IS THE EARTH FLAT???? KYRIE SAYS SO!!!

Post by Ironman » Thu Jul 12, 2018 9:06 pm

"However, modern science does claim to have measured the heavens, the interior of the earth, and the sands of the sea. They even claim to know exactly where and when the Big Bang occurred."
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The problem is that evolutionists do not want the public to know that scientists cannot figure out how galaxies, stars and planets originated.

EVIDENCE DISPROVING THE BIG BANG THEORY

Did the Universe begin with a super explosion of a small mass 10 billion years ago?
Briefly, the following problems are observed in our solar system that defy the Big Bang
explanation:
1. Uranus and Venus rotate in the opposite direction to the other planets.
2. Some planets have eccentric or tilted orbits.
3. Some planet’s satellite moons move in retrograde (backwards) motion.
4. Our moon has a lower density than earth. If it was thrown out from earth, it’s density would be more.
5. The sun’s angular momentum is 1/200th of the planets.
This small angular momentum makes it unlikely that the planets could be thrown out of the sun.
Source: “Unlocking the Mysteries of Creation”. D.R. Peterson, p.45.

Big Bang theory says that a large quantity of nothing condensed by gravity into a single tiny spot and then exploded outward into hydrogen and helium to eventually form stars, galaxies, planets and moons.

Question: What is wrong with this theory? A lot!
1. Nothingness cannot pack together.
2. There would be no ignition to explode a speck of nothingness.
3. The theoretical explosion would fall back on itself giving a theoretical black
hole. R L St. Peter, 1974.
4. There is not enough anti-matter in the universe. A Big Bang would produce equal amounts of matter and anti-matter, but only small amounts of antimatter exists. (Asimov’s New Guide to Science, p.343).
5. The anti-matter from the Big Bang would have destroyed all the regular matter.
6. There is no way to unite all the outward rushing particles from the central
explosion, because they would keep getting farther apart over time travelled. (See Novotny’s research).
7. The particles would maintain the same speed and direction forever, with no way for them to begin circling each other as gas clouds. Linear motion would not change to angular momentum.
8. Neither hydrogen or helium in outer space would clump together, because gases on earth push apart, but never clump together. Gas clouds in space expand, and don’t contract to form anything.
9. Careful analysis has revealed that there is not enough matter in gas clouds to produce stars.
10. If the Big Bang theory were true, instead of a universe of evenly mixed stars and galaxies, there would only be an outer rim of fast moving matter.
11. There is not enough matter in the universe to explain the origin of matter and stars. The universe is 100 times less dense than the Big Bang theory requires. Where is this “missing mass”? This too little matter could not form stars.
12. The Big Bang would only produce hydrogen and helium, not the other 90 elements.
13. The nuclear gaps at atomic mass 5 and 8 make it impossible for hydrogen and helium to produce any heavier elements, because neither a proton or neutron can be attached to a helium nucleus of mass 4. If it were not for this important “helium mass 4 gap”, the sun would radiate uranium towards earth. There is
no stable atom of atomic mass 5 or 8. So a hydrogen fusion reaction (bomb) combines hydrogen to form deuterium, which doubles to form Helium 4 and stops there. Hence a hydrogen explosion (even in a star), does not cross mass 5 gap (E.g. H=1.008; Deuterium=2.016; He=4.006; Lithium=6.939; Berylium=9.012; Boron=10.811, etc.).
14. There are no first-generation stars (containing only hydrogen and helium) in the sky, which supposedly exploded to give second-generation stars, as the Big Bang theory requires.
15. Random explosions do not produce intricate orbits of suns, binary stars, galaxies, star clusters, planets and moons.
16. There are not enough supernova explosions to produce the heavier elements. We can see stars up to 15 billion light years away, but why are we not seeing many stellar explosions far out in space? Because the Big Bang theory is wrong. The stars are doing fine.
17. The most distant stars, which evolutionists date to the time of the Big Bang, are not exploding, and yet contain heavier elements.
18. According to the Big Bang theory, older stars should have more heavy elements because they are continually making them. But all stars, from ‘young’ to ‘old’, have similar amounts of heavy elements
19. Why do some stars spin backward to other stars? The Big Bang theory can’t explain this.
20. Why do stars turn? Why do galaxies rotate? Why do planets orbit stars? Why do binary stars circle one another? How could super fast straight line motion from a Big Bang change to rotating and orbiting motion with angular momentum?
21. Why is the universe so “lumpy” with galaxies grouped into galaxy clusters, which are grouped into larger super clusters?
22. Evolutionists claim that background radiation in space is the best evidence that the Big Bang occurred as the last remnant of a Big Bang explosion. This is wrong because:

a) It comes from all directions except one direction being the Big Bang source.
b) The radiation is too weak to fit the theory. (Fred Hoyle).
c) It lacks the required 2.7K black body spectrum required for the Big Bang theory.
d) The spectrum should be a much hotter 100oK black body spectrum than its 2.73K spectrum.
e) It is too smooth.

Instead, this background radiation is what we’d expect from the billions of stars in the universe.
23. According to Big Bang theory, the further we look out into space, the further back into time we see. This means that the furthest stars and galaxies should be the youngest.
Yet research shows that furthest away stars are just like those nearby.
24. If Big Bang theory were true, all stars would be moving in the same direction, but stars, clusters and galaxies are moving in various directions opposite to one another.
25. Every star is redshifted to some extent. The further a star or galaxy is from us, the more its light is shifted. Big Bang theory concludes that this proves that the universe is expanding outward from the source of the Big Bang. They base this on the hypothesis that the “speed theory” of redshift is the only cause of the redshift. (If light is travelling towards us, the wavelength is compressed or blueshifted. If it is moving away from us, the wavelength is stretched out or redshifted.).

Other explanations for this redshift are:
a) Gravitational redshift. In 1915, Einstein predicted that gravity could bend light and thus cause a redshift. This was later proven correct. As light travels towards us from distant stars, it passes other stars, which slightly slows the beam, causing its spectrum to be shifted towards the red.

b) Second-order Doppler shift: A light source moving at right angles to an observer will always be redshifted. This would be explained by the universe moving slowly in a vast circle around a centre.

c) Energy loss redshift: Light waves may lose energy as they travel across long distances. Big Bang theory maintains that the speed redshift is the only cause of the redshift, so they can say that the universe is expanding outwards as a result of the Big Bang. Speed redshift is not the only cause of redshift because:
a) Nearly all stars and galaxies are redshifted. If Big Bang theory really occurred, the universe would be rushing out from where the explosion occurred, not away from earth. If there was a Big Bang we could locate its origin by measuring redshifts.
b) The closest stars and galaxies are the least redshifted. The further away a star is, the more would gravitational and energy loss redshifts slow it.
c) Quasars strongly disprove the speed theory of redshift. Some quasars have redshifts of 300% which equals speeds over 90% of the speed of light. Some quasars have redshifts of 400%.

Three quasars, according to the speed theory are moving faster than the speed of light.

One quasar appears to be moving 8 times faster than light, which is impossible.
26. Most binary stars circling one another are of different composition. Big Bang theory can’t explain this.
27. Stars within globular clusters ought to be all crashing into one another if any nonthinking force brought them together, but they are not.
28. Stars never get closer than 3.5 light years apart. Would randomness produce this? No.
29. Stellar evolution is non-observable. Stars are not evolving in space. Plants and animals are not evolving on earth.
30. The sun would have to spin extremely fast to hurl off planets and moons, yet it rotates very slowly.
31. Big Bang theory cannot explain where stars, planets and moons originated, nor how they arrived at their present precise, intricate orbits. How could every moon be located at the precise distance to keep it from flying into or away from its planet, from a Big Bang explosion?
32. Uranus and Venus rotate backward compared to all the other planets. The other 7 rotate forward.
33. One third of the 60 moons rotate opposite to the rotational direction of their planets.

Why?
34. Our planets and moons are so strikingly different that they could not have originated from the same Big Bang source. “If you look at all the planets and the 60 or so satellites (moons), it’s very hard to find two that are the same.” (Ross Taylor of ANU Canberra, in “The Solar Systems New Diversity”, Richard Kerr, Science 265, 2 Sep 1994, p.1360).
35. The chemical makeup of Earth’s moon and Earth are distinctly different, implying that the moon formed under different conditions.
36. Nearly all of Saturn’s 17 moons are extremely different. It has 3 sets of moons sharing the same orbit. Some moons travel clockwise, others travel anti-clockwise. The surface
of Iapetus is 5 times darker on one side than the other. Hyperion is potato shaped.
Enceladus has an extremely smooth surface, whereas other moons are much rougher.
Why? Titan’s atmosphere is thicker than earth’s.
How could all these moons originate by chance?
Elemental Forces of the Universe.
37. Gravity Force is perfectly balanced.
a) If gravity were stronger, smaller stars could not form.
b) If gravity were weaker, bigger stars could not form, no heavy elements could exist,
only dwarf stars would exist, which would radiate light too feebly to support life.
38. Proton/Neutron mass ratio
The neutron mass can only exceed the proton mass by twice the electron’s mass (About 1
part per 1000).
a) If the proton to neutron mass ratio were less, atoms would fly apart.
b) If the proton to neutron mass ratio were greater, atoms would crush together, quickly
decaying into a neutron, positron and neutrino, thus destroying hydrogen, the main
element in the universe.
The Master Designer planned that the proton’s mass would be slightly smaller than a
neutron’s mass, otherwise the universe would collapse. If protons decayed, the universe
would collapse.
39. Photon mass to Baryon mass ratio.
If this ratio were higher, stars and galaxies could not hold together by gravitational
attraction.
40. Nuclear force holds an atom together.
a) If it were smaller, there would only be hydrogen and no heavier elements.
b) If it were larger, there would be no hydrogen but only heavier elements. With no
hydrogen there would be no stable stars, and no life.
c) If it were 1% weaker or stronger, carbon could not exist, nor could life exist.
d) If it were 2% stronger, protons could not exist.
41. Electromagnetic Force in an atom binds negative charged electrons to a positively charged
nucleus
a) If it were smaller or larger, no chemical bonds could form.
b) If the electron charge were 3 times larger, no element could exist other than
hydrogen.
c) If the electron charge were one-third as large, all neutral atoms would be destroyed
by the lowest heat-such as is found in outer space.
Conclusion: It would be impossible for evolution to produce the correct balance of these
forces. They were planned. These 4 basic forces (gravitational, electromagnetic, weak and
strong nuclear forces) differ so greatly in strength, that the strongest is 1040 times stronger
than the weakest of them. Yet Big Bang theory mathematics requires that all basic forces
had to be the same strength before and just after the Big Bang Explosion occurred.
Evolutionists cannot claim that these precise, delicate balances of forces occurred by
“natural selection”, or “mutations”, for we are here dealing with the basic properties of
matter. There is no room for gradual “evolving”. The proton-neutron mass ratio has always
been the same. It will not change. It began just right. There was no second chance. This
applies to all the other forces and balances in elemental matter and the laws of physics
governing them.
If you open a typical science book on astronomy, you will find theories about the origin of
the universe and stars stated with great certainty to the public.
By 1970, so much scientific data had repudiated the basic aspects of various cosmologies,
that in April 1972, the top minds in stellar physics, chemistry and astronomy gathered at the
Nice Symposium to resolve: a) How did the first cloud break apart and change into stars?
b) How did the gas clouds whirl to form stellar objects to solve the angular momentum
problem?
c) How did the gas push itself into solids?
d) How did the planets, with their present properties and solar distances form?
If you attend such a closed-door conference, you will find worried men, desperate theories,
scientific facts condemning these theories, a lack of alternative explanations, an atmosphere of hopeless despair in the face of unproven ideas, and no solutions or scientific experiments to alleviate the situation.


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Re: IS THE EARTH FLAT???? KYRIE SAYS SO!!!

Post by Spiritblade Disciple » Thu Jul 12, 2018 9:09 pm

luchnia wrote:
Thu Jul 12, 2018 6:54 am
I believe the Earth is a sphere, yet I cannot provide biblical evidence that it is true any more than I can provide biblical evidence the earth is flat.
Here's a PDF with over 240 scriptures supporting the Biblical Flat-Earth Model:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1BuwfYX ... 1HYFe/view

I wonder if anyone can provide 24, let alone 240+ scriptures supporting the Heliocentric Globe-Earth Model?


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Re: IS THE EARTH FLAT???? KYRIE SAYS SO!!!

Post by branham1965 » Fri Jul 13, 2018 1:09 am

WHO IS ROB SKIBA??? +space +space +space



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Post by Spiritblade Disciple » Fri Jul 13, 2018 6:05 pm

branham1965 wrote:
Fri Jul 13, 2018 1:09 am
WHO IS ROB SKIBA??? +space +space +space
In Skiba's own words, "just a village idiot."

He's someone who takes the Bible literally and takes his Bible study seriously. He holds to a Messianic Jewish perspective.

He is a regular speaker at conferences on biblical topics such as the Flat Earth and Nephilim, etc.

We've went over who he is, before.

Here's a video of one of the lectures he gave at a recent Flat-Earth conference wherein he explains why all our beliefs are absurd from other points of view.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwJ09OX389E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwJ09OX389E

It's about 2.5 hours in length, but you might find it interesting.


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Re: IS THE EARTH FLAT???? KYRIE SAYS SO!!!

Post by branham1965 » Fri Jul 13, 2018 11:39 pm

Rob Skiba is a Hyper literal Bible thumper. Nothing more.

HE IS NOT A SCIENTIST!!! HE ADMITS HE IS THE VILLAGE IDIOT!!!!

AND HE IS GOING TO SOLVE TO THE SECOND :lol!: :lol!: :lol!: THINGS ALBERT EINSTEIN ,STEPHEN HAWING AND CARL SAGAN COULD NOT???!!!

Not a chance



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Re: IS THE EARTH FLAT???? KYRIE SAYS SO!!!

Post by branham1965 » Sat Jul 14, 2018 10:42 am

Roger

you believe in this.that's your belief.and i respect your right to believe in a Flat Earth. :angel:


BUT is it WRONG for us here not to believe it???


i mean is this a salvation thing to you and Rob Skiba???


WHAT are his SCIENTIFIC EDUCATIONAL CREDENTIALS????

Reverend Dake never believed this in his life.


Was he unsaved?????



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Re: IS THE EARTH FLAT???? KYRIE SAYS SO!!!

Post by Spiritblade Disciple » Sat Jul 14, 2018 2:13 pm

Spiritblade Disciple wrote:
Fri Jul 13, 2018 6:05 pm
Here's a video of one of the lectures he gave at a recent Flat-Earth conference wherein he explains why all our beliefs are absurd from other points of view.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwJ09OX389E
Biblical Flat Earth Conference in Amsterdam - Part 1: The Absurdity of Belief

It's about 2.5 hours in length, but you might find it interesting.
If you enjoyed the above video, perhaps you'd like to watch part two. It's not as long at only 1.5 hours, but it does address the question as to whether or not belief in the Globe-Earth Model might be part of a strong delusion sent by God in order to ensure the damnation of those that refuse to love the truth and refuse to believe the truth and have pleasure in unrighteousness.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5pusPMlYSE
Biblical Flat Earth Conference in Amsterdam - Part 2: A Seed War, the Beast and a Strong Delusion


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