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We know faith of God heals and Jesus was the greatest in all at this. I believe faith is at an all time low because people are not hearing the Word of God that grows faith. They are hearing words that grow fear and not faith. Men have elaborate televised "healing" sessions with cameras all around and in many cases they are nothing more than setups to deceive and get folks money.

In thirty plus years now I have heard very few faith filled sermons that teach a man must plant God's word into his heart and speak it out of his mouth for faith to grow and that he must have corresponding action (doer and not hearer only) to those words or his faith is basically dead. What I have heard is much fear being preached and much seed of the evil one being mingled - words that produce calamity in man's spirit.

Who today do you believe is actually getting folks physically healed and not just those "hidden" sicknesses that are rarely if ever verified. Men will stretch legs, heal joints, etc., yet where is arms or legs getting restored to complete normal condition? Hospitals are brimming over. Men are dying with diseases never before even heard of! Ebola? Really? I can hear Jesus now, "Oh, he has ebola" NOT. The dark one is creating these maladies daily and men do nothing.

I maintain that the missing element is firmly grounded Word with corresponding action following. What say you? It only takes small seed faith to move the largest obstacles in front of us and I am reminded of the phrase in Luke 18:8 I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?

Peter walked on water with little faith and had doubt - Matthew 14:31 And immediately Jesus stretched forth his hand, and caught him, and said unto him, O thou of little faith, wherefore didst thou doubt? Stephen was a table waiter that was full of faith and power doing great wonders and miracles: Acts 6:8 And Stephen, full of faith and power, did great wonders and miracles among the people.


Yet in today's time you don't even see something as miniscule as the flue healed. People die from this stuff. What is wrong with this picture and time period in which we live?


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When I came into this thing in the mid-80s we saw people constantly standing on God's Word for healing and making their confession of faith. Some cases we saw healing come quickly and in other cases it could take a while but I saw people persevere and eventually receive from God a supernatural manifestation. Of course, the Word concerning faith and healing was preached more prevalently.

IN the 90s the attacks on faith teaching became stronger with added testimonies of ex-WoFers who claimed to have a family member that believed that "faith stuff" and died. Seems that a lot of faith preachers got a little nervous and began to tone down a little. On top of that, faith for prosperity became much more prevalent in faith circles. I guess its safer than preaching on divine healing. Today, teachings on divine healing and deliverance receives very little emphasis. Heck, at least here in America they supposeldy have medication that will cure all of your ills. If the Word on a certain subject is not taught be it divine healing, victory over sin, provision, etc. then there will be no faith to receive it.

On that note, there is still plenty of reading material on the subject, like this excellent book that can be downloaded for free:

http://www.victoriouswordchurch.org/fre ... ling_g.pdf



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Never read anything like this book especially toward the end explaining things so clearly. Another piece of the puzzle fell into place. Thank you. :angel:



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John G. Lake - DIVINE HEALING Sermon (Philadelphia, Pennsylvania January 30, 1914)

How ashamed a Christian ought to be that he is trusting in the arm of flesh or in a medicine bottle somewhere around the house. You go home and gather up the abominable stuff and put it in the alley box and then apologize to the alley box.

You cannot tell me anything about medicine. There never was a bigger humbug practiced on mankind than the practice of medicine. The biggest men in the medical world have declared it over and over again, but the mob do not pay any attention to it.


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"There never was a bigger humbug practiced on mankind than the practice of medicine."

This statement certainly makes you think. I often wondered what Luke thought when Jesus was healing everyone around that had faith and also how Luke dealt with the folks that did not have faith to be healed. Did he doctor on them and teach them Word to grow their faith?

Can you imagine being a doctor and yet you have the "great physician" walking alongside you? The One whom healed with a Word? I could certainly see how that could cause an internal struggle for Doc Luke :shocked!:


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tomas555 wrote:John G. Lake - DIVINE HEALING Sermon (Philadelphia, Pennsylvania January 30, 1914)

How ashamed a Christian ought to be that he is trusting in the arm of flesh or in a medicine bottle somewhere around the house. You go home and gather up the abominable stuff and put it in the alley box and then apologize to the alley box.

You cannot tell me anything about medicine. There never was a bigger humbug practiced on mankind than the practice of medicine. The biggest men in the medical world have declared it over and over again, but the mob do not pay any attention to it.
Is that so?

Coll. 4:14, Luke, the beloved physician, and Demas, greet you.

Matt. 9:12, But when Jesus heard that, he said unto them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick.

Mark 2:17, When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

Luke 4:23, And he said unto them, Ye will surely say unto me this proverb, Physician, heal thyself: whatsoever we have heard done in Capernaum, do also here in thy country.

Luke 5:31, And Jesus answering said unto them, They that are whole need not a physician; but they that are sick.

Personally I all ways ask the Father in Jesus name for healing for myself and my family. I know then that I have done my bit and God will then do His. When He does this is up to Him and I believe we are healed, even before I ask.

John 14:13, And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

John 14:14, If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

We don't have Jesus walking about society healing people today. These days its all about getting to know Jesus, forming a relationship with Him and the Father and having faith in the promises they have made to those who believe in Him! Ask and believe its done even before its actually done, never wavering or doubting.

One of my children, a little girl, after years of sickness and suffering, being investigated by many doctors and specialists, and me asking God to heal her ended up in hospital. We were told it was not looking good for her. No one knew what was wrong. I went into the hospital chapel and prayed in tears, God heal my daughter please, if you do I will change, I will obey you, I will be baptised, and many other such pleadings.
When I returned to her room my wife said a visiting doctor she had never seen before examined our daughter and rushed her off to the operating room.

I know God sent him. She had a gangrenous ovarian cyst as large as a grown mans fist which was about to burst according to this doctor. She would have died that day. She now lives and has healthy children and grand children.
This experience alone tells me these days God uses physicians at times.


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I believe in both the doctors and nurses. I also recognize that Jesus Christ is The Great Physician.

Look at Dr. Jonas Salk who saved countless lives with the Polio vaccine.

I believe God gives each generation the medical knowledge as the field of medicine and science advances.

Some cases truly are for God to tell Jesus Christ to go answer that person's prayer to heal that person here on earth.



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Hi DFM,Healing.

God is the great healer for sure. Correct me if I'm wrong mate and I'm not wanting to make this a debate on this subject of vaccines, but I read somewhere not that long ago that Salk was bitterly disappointed later in life stating the his vaccine had in fact given more polio than it prevented?


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Lake was heavily influenced by Dowie.who was wrong about this.


it was written in 1914 before WWI !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!BEFORE PENICILLIN WAS DISCOVERED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ANY PEOPLE ANY PEOPLE who forbid medicine to their Church members should be held guilty of manslaughter or murder if the person dies.

tomas555 wrote:John G. Lake - DIVINE HEALING Sermon (Philadelphia, Pennsylvania January 30, 1914)

How ashamed a Christian ought to be that he is trusting in the arm of flesh or in a medicine bottle somewhere around the house. You go home and gather up the abominable stuff and put it in the alley box and then apologize to the alley box.

You cannot tell me anything about medicine. There never was a bigger humbug practiced on mankind than the practice of medicine. The biggest men in the medical world have declared it over and over again, but the mob do not pay any attention to it.
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:neutral: :neutral:

my sister has MS in a wheelchair and was told she has diabetes.

Paul was the greatest Apostle in History and he left a man sick he said see 2 Timothy 4:20.

He said he left Trophimus at Miletum sick.it explains itself.
luchnia wrote:"There never was a bigger humbug practiced on mankind than the practice of medicine."

This statement certainly makes you think. I often wondered what Luke thought when Jesus was healing everyone around that had faith and also how Luke dealt with the folks that did not have faith to be healed. Did he doctor on them and teach them Word to grow their faith?

Can you imagine being a doctor and yet you have the "great physician" walking alongside you? The One whom healed with a Word? I could certainly see how that could cause an internal struggle for Doc Luke :shocked!:



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