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HAZ
I KNOW THAT YOU KNOW GOD HEALS THROUGH DOCTORS HOSPITALS NURSES AND MEDICINE TODAY.

HE HEALS THROUGH PRAYER AS WELL.BUT ANYONE SAYING MEDICINE USE IS A SIN IS DEAD WRONG.

AND THEY ARE ALWAYS ALWAYS UNBALANCED IN OTHER AREAS OF THEIR LIFE.

A GREAT BAPTIST PREACHER (DR.PETER S.RUCKMAN) I GREATLY ADMIRE SAID THEY HE AND THE ELDERS DID JAMES 5:14-15 THEY HAD 3 NOTABLE MIRACLES DONE.SEVERE CASES.MIRACULOUSLY HEALED IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST.
this was at the time of that recording.

AND HE WAS HONEST ENOUGH AS HE ALWAYS IS ...TO SAY IT DID NOT WORK IN 4 OTHER SEVERE CASES.

BUT THEY PRAYED AND DID JAMES 5:14-15.








Ironman wrote:
tomas555 wrote:John G. Lake - DIVINE HEALING Sermon (Philadelphia, Pennsylvania January 30, 1914)

How ashamed a Christian ought to be that he is trusting in the arm of flesh or in a medicine bottle somewhere around the house. You go home and gather up the abominable stuff and put it in the alley box and then apologize to the alley box.

You cannot tell me anything about medicine. There never was a bigger humbug practiced on mankind than the practice of medicine. The biggest men in the medical world have declared it over and over again, but the mob do not pay any attention to it.
Is that so?

Coll. 4:14, Luke, the beloved physician, and Demas, greet you.

Matt. 9:12, But when Jesus heard that, he said unto them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick.

Mark 2:17, When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

Luke 4:23, And he said unto them, Ye will surely say unto me this proverb, Physician, heal thyself: whatsoever we have heard done in Capernaum, do also here in thy country.

Luke 5:31, And Jesus answering said unto them, They that are whole need not a physician; but they that are sick.

Personally I all ways ask the Father in Jesus name for healing for myself and my family. I know then that I have done my bit and God will then do His. When He does this is up to Him and I believe we are healed, even before I ask.

John 14:13, And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

John 14:14, If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

We don't have Jesus walking about society healing people today. These days its all about getting to know Jesus, forming a relationship with Him and the Father and having faith in the promises they have made to those who believe in Him! Ask and believe its done even before its actually done, never wavering or doubting.

One of my children, a little girl, after years of sickness and suffering, being investigated by many doctors and specialists, and me asking God to heal her ended up in hospital. We were told it was not looking good for her. No one knew what was wrong. I went into the hospital chapel and prayed in tears, God heal my daughter please, if you do I will change, I will obey you, I will be baptised, and many other such pleadings.
When I returned to her room my wife said a visiting doctor she had never seen before examined our daughter and rushed her off to the operating room.

I know God sent him. She had a gangrenous ovarian cyst as large as a grown mans fist which was about to burst according to this doctor. She would have died that day. She now lives and has healthy children and grand children.
This experience alone tells me these days God uses physicians at times.



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There is a natural medicine of plants and food and the chemical medicine of BigPharma.

The devilish EU has already banned any health effect information on natural herbal tea. You cannot simply have the information what's the tea or oil good for on it's package. They are pushing only chemical medicine which is not of God and is destroying human bodies in some way.

The best example would be chemo which only feeds the tumors and grows metastasis.

Lake was only stating that God should be our first place to go for healing of a body like He is for the soul and the spirit. How about 2 million Hebrews not needing doctor for 40 years? We need renew our mind according to the Word of God and think in the line with it.

I remember my wife's grandmother 3-4 years ago, diagnosed with colon cancer. Not able to eat solid food, not able to speak. Doctors saying it's over, it's just a matter of time. It was on Christmas holiday we went to visit her. Then the family taking care of her laid her to the bed and we went to her in the other room. Prayed for healing, went trough salvation prayer but she only nodded unable to speak. I commanded peace of God on her as well.

Then the man from other room came and asked us to leave because she won't be sleeping well all night and they'll be busy around her all the time. He was not very nice when speaking to us.

Guess what? She slept whole night first time since the troubles began, then started to eat solid food and today she is still alive.

If you want to kill your family member sick with cancer, give him up to doctors. Manslaughter should be for giving the person radioactive pills or fluids inside the veins. With such high level of bribery in Pharma business and government, we should no more trust in modern medicine.

If you trust in man made medicine, you cannot trust God. He didn't create it. He would never create a medicine with dangerous or even deathly side effects. Trust in natural ways and God's ways.

Blessings to all of you my beloved.


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Ironman wrote:Hi DFM,Healing.

God is the great healer for sure. Correct me if I'm wrong mate and I'm not wanting to make this a debate on this subject of vaccines, but I read somewhere not that long ago that Salk was bitterly disappointed later in life stating the his vaccine had in fact given more polio than it prevented?
I did not know that about Salk being disappointed with the polio vaccine.

I believe Jesus Christ heals today because when I was a baby, I was born with a hole in my heart and was very close to dying. My mom got on her knees and prayed for me to be healed.

God left me deaf to confirm Isaiah chapter 35, Mark 7:31-39 and Mark 9:14-29 in The End Times. I use American Sign Language and am Deaf for a good reason. God is using me even now as a Deaf man to lead anothers to salvation. The healing will manifest and take hold then that will lead even more people to Jesus Christ being saved and healed if they need healing. Salvation comes first. Healing is temporary on earth as our bodies will die eventually someday. Salvation is for eternity.



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branham1965 wrote::neutral: :neutral:

my sister has MS in a wheelchair and was told she has diabetes.

Paul was the greatest Apostle in History and he left a man sick he said see 2 Timothy 4:20.

He said he left Trophimus at Miletum sick.it explains itself.
luchnia wrote:"There never was a bigger humbug practiced on mankind than the practice of medicine."

This statement certainly makes you think. I often wondered what Luke thought when Jesus was healing everyone around that had faith and also how Luke dealt with the folks that did not have faith to be healed. Did he doctor on them and teach them Word to grow their faith?

Can you imagine being a doctor and yet you have the "great physician" walking alongside you? The One whom healed with a Word? I could certainly see how that could cause an internal struggle for Doc Luke :shocked!:
I'm sorry about your sister mate. And thanks for that info on 2 Timothy 4:20, Billy,

I looked that up in Dakes notes in the bible you sent me and found in 2 Tim 4:20; Erastus abode at Corinth: but Trophimus have I left at Miletum sick."

Dakes notes state, Gr. asthenneo, weak, not necessarily diseased (note f, Phil. 2:26-27).

Phil. 2:26, "For he longed after you all, and was full of heaviness, because that ye had heard that he had been sick.
27, For indeed he was sick nigh unto death: but God had mercy on him; and not on him only, but on me also, lest I should have sorrow upon sorrow."

Dakes notes, f, he had been sick. This proves that at the time of the writing of this apistle he was well again. For the work of the Lord he had been nigh unto death (v 30). How could the work of God make him sick if not by overwork and improper rest? In such case, it would be a physical breakdown rather than some disease. The Greek word for sick is astheneo, to be weak or feeble in any sense. he had power to impart gifts to others (Acts19:1-7). Gifts are not given so that bodies may be abused by overwork. They are not to enable man to work beyond what is sensible and best for the body.


Galatians 4: 16, Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?

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i do not agree with you at all.

and im trying to +zip

some of the greatest Healing Ministers believed in both prayer and medicine.Reverend Oral Roberts believed in medicine and prayer.And he saw some of the mightiest miracles in his campaigns.great signs and wonders were done there.

God uses both Doctors,Hospitals .nurses and good medicine and prayer to heal today.


tomas555 wrote:There is a natural medicine of plants and food and the chemical medicine of BigPharma.

The devilish EU has already banned any health effect information on natural herbal tea. You cannot simply have the information what's the tea or oil good for on it's package. They are pushing only chemical medicine which is not of God and is destroying human bodies in some way.

The best example would be chemo which only feeds the tumors and grows metastasis.

Lake was only stating that God should be our first place to go for healing of a body like He is for the soul and the spirit. How about 2 million Hebrews not needing doctor for 40 years? We need renew our mind according to the Word of God and think in the line with it.

I remember my wife's grandmother 3-4 years ago, diagnosed with colon cancer. Not able to eat solid food, not able to speak. Doctors saying it's over, it's just a matter of time. It was on Christmas holiday we went to visit her. Then the family taking care of her laid her to the bed and we went to her in the other room. Prayed for healing, went trough salvation prayer but she only nodded unable to speak. I commanded peace of God on her as well.

Then the man from other room came and asked us to leave because she won't be sleeping well all night and they'll be busy around her all the time. He was not very nice when speaking to us.

Guess what? She slept whole night first time since the troubles began, then started to eat solid food and today she is still alive.

If you want to kill your family member sick with cancer, give him up to doctors. Manslaughter should be for giving the person radioactive pills or fluids inside the veins. With such high level of bribery in Pharma business and government, we should no more trust in modern medicine.

If you trust in man made medicine, you cannot trust God. He didn't create it. He would never create a medicine with dangerous or even deathly side effects. Trust in natural ways and God's ways.

Blessings to all of you my beloved.



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100% in agreement God uses both medicine and prayers & doctors and nurses at the hospitals.

I am aware of what big pharmaceutical companies do and some of the medication are good like Tylenol.

Picture this 2,000 years ago, in Israel remember this is a desert environment. If someone had a fever, there was no Tylenol to bring the fever down.

This is why Jesus Christ was able to break the fever through his prayers & fastings Jesus Christ did for 40 days in the desert then Jesus Christ started his healing and salvation ministry.



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Yes, He uses doctors when they tell you that you have few weeks to live and when you are vommiting out your stomach from chemotherapy.


Trust in the medicine!
Please help me to find scripture reference of this command because I can only find "Trust in the Lord" all around the bible.

Or "Is anyone sick among you? Call the doc and eat the crappy medicine and you'll get well".

This is sick, I though this is Dake Bible Board not "somebody's own worldy opinion forum".


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LUKE 10:29-37 BUT A CERTAIN SAMARITAN AS HE JOURNEYED CAME TO WHERE HE WAS AND WHEN HE SAW HIM HE HAD COMPASSION ON HIM AND WENT TO HIM AND BOUND UP HIS WOUNDS POURING IN OIL AND WINE AND SET HIM ON HIS OWN BEAST AND BROUGHT HIM TO AN INN AND TOOK CARE OF HIM.AND ON THE MORROW WHEN HE DEPARTED HE TOOK OUT TWO PENCE AND GAVE THEM TO THE HOST AND SAID UNTO HIM TAKE CARE OF HIM AND WHATSOEVER THOU SPENDEST MORE WHEN I COME AGAIN I WILL REPAY THEE.

VERSE 37 GO AND DO THOU LIKEWISE. THAT CAME FROM THE LORD JESUS CHRIST.


Good Doctors ,Good nurses ,Good hospitals and Good medicines go with prayer as Oral Roberts said.so does Ernest Angley and many others.


one can trust the Lord and take medicine.


tomas555 wrote:Yes, He uses doctors when they tell you that you have few weeks to live and when you are vommiting out your stomach from chemotherapy.


Trust in the medicine!
Please help me to find scripture reference of this command because I can only find "Trust in the Lord" all around the bible.

Or "Is anyone sick among you? Call the doc and eat the crappy medicine and you'll get well".

This is sick, I though this is Dake Bible Board not "somebody's own worldy opinion forum".
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DR.JONAS SALK HELPED MANY CHILDREN WHO WOULD HAVE HAD POLIO.
my ex father in law had polio.and the vaccine came out after he had it.
the suffering he went through not getting that vaccine..... he is in a wheelchair now.




DeafManHealing wrote:
Ironman wrote:Hi DFM,Healing.

God is the great healer for sure. Correct me if I'm wrong mate and I'm not wanting to make this a debate on this subject of vaccines, but I read somewhere not that long ago that Salk was bitterly disappointed later in life stating the his vaccine had in fact given more polio than it prevented?
I did not know that about Salk being disappointed with the polio vaccine.

I believe Jesus Christ heals today because when I was a baby, I was born with a hole in my heart and was very close to dying. My mom got on her knees and prayed for me to be healed.

God left me deaf to confirm Isaiah chapter 35, Mark 7:31-39 and Mark 9:14-29 in The End Times. I use American Sign Language and am Deaf for a good reason. God is using me even now as a Deaf man to lead anothers to salvation. The healing will manifest and take hold then that will lead even more people to Jesus Christ being saved and healed if they need healing. Salvation comes first. Healing is temporary on earth as our bodies will die eventually someday. Salvation is for eternity.



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it sounds like a medicine hater made it up.

my ex father in law got polio at 11.before Salk's vaccine.the vaccine would have given him a normal life.he is in a wheelchair now.


Ironman wrote:Hi DFM,Healing.

God is the great healer for sure. Correct me if I'm wrong mate and I'm not wanting to make this a debate on this subject of vaccines, but I read somewhere not that long ago that Salk was bitterly disappointed later in life stating the his vaccine had in fact given more polio than it prevented?



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