Dake Bible Discussion Board ⇒ Did GOD come in Human Form?

[the_truth]

I keep reading this an I am getting lost. Help me by clarifying some things if you would.

1. You said "CHRIST didn't come down as "GOD" or even as "a GOD". CHRIST was born." Could you clarify your position here - do you then believe Christ was not God since he was born, that he came into existence as a God or God at the manger? Or, Jesus was never God, was not God and will not be God?

The title CHRIST means "ANOINTED ONE". Jesus is THE "ANOINTED ONE" and THE SON. The Scriptures says and I believe that he was a man, therefore HE had to be "born". For all sons of adam are "born". As the Scripture confirm that CHRIST(THE SON) was born of a woman; seed of David BY FLESH. "GOD" is a title used to describe THE FATHER, man, kings, etc. Is CHRIST the Person of the ONE LIVING GOD? No. THE MAN was born and was given THE ONE LIVING GOD's Spirit to its fullest, given HIS Name; was given power and authority, and life. And because of HIS obedience became perfect and inherited that which GOD ordained that HE should have. For the Scripture say HE inherited God's Name.

You were quoting from Acts ch. 14 and then you fast-forward to Acts ch. 17. Chapter 17 is speaking of God not being a dead idol made of man's hands - I don't see them speaking here concerning the doctrine of incarnation etc. Could you clarify your position here as to what you really believe - Jesus did not come down from Heaven and he is not the same as the Word mentioned in John 1:1 and then Micah 5:2?

I believe I went from Acts 14 to Matthew 17 to prove who the ONE LIVING GOD is. I will go into further detail, but JESUS is NOT THE Word. Micah 5:2 is a prophesy of CHRIST. What does it say? It says "Out of Judah HE shall come forth" unto ME(THE ONE LIVING GOD). HE( THE MESSIAH) is to be a Ruler of Israel. Next it says "GOING FORTH". Not a good translation. The Hebrew word is "mosaah". It's definition means "origin". So it says THE MESSIAH's origin(i.e. HIS beginning/existence) is from Ancient times. I will explain later that HIS existence is NOT because HE as a PERSON or SPIRITUAL BODY existed. His existence was in GOD's Plan. In HIS mind from the foundation.

Yet in John 8:58 Jesus specifically said he was "I am" didn't he? It appears you do believe in a Trinity here in the last paragraph - am I right? Do you believe in a Trinity but not before the birth? Just curious about some things - thank you for your reply.

I will tackle your John 8:58 later on tonight. I do not believe in the doctrine of the Trinity nor in the doctrine concerning nature of THE FATHER and THE SON of Oneness nor Jehovah Witness nor Gnostics. For the record I believe that JESUS is and was God's CHRIST/Messiah. And had ALL Power to do ALL things.

[the_truth]

I believe Darren is saying that Jesus was born a man at the manger and became the exact image of the Father and the first begotten or born again as a Son of God the Father. That Jesus' existence began at His birth on earth. That the "word" in John 1:1 was part of God the Father. Darren???

But then, how could He have been the Creator??? And how do you explain the word becoming flesh??? Is that figurative language???

Yes. Dolph you are spot on. There is some further information to provide clarity. I will discuss what "word" means later. The Hebrew transliteration is "dabar".
See my explanation of Heb 1:2 http://www.dakebibleboard.com/viewtopic ... 524#p60524 NOTE: A correction in that post, THE AGE should be THE WORLD.

The ONE LIVING GOD is the CREATOR. And it is HE who created everything by HIS WORD and WISDOM on the account of THE MESSIAH. Everything was created BECAUSE OF The Messiah.


In order to understand what the WORD is, one must understand the writers of the Scripture; they were of Hebrew descent. From a Hebrew/Aramaic culture the WORD is never identified as a PERSON. My "words" are not the physical me. They are my thoughts.

[the_truth]

Hey truth,

Here is what the Bible teaches.

1. GOD THE FATHER has soul, spirit, and SPIRIT body. And HE is GOD, hence A PERSON
2. THE WORD has soul, spirit, and a PHYSICAL body (NOW GLORIFIED PHYSICAL BODY). HE is GOD, hence A PERSON
3. The Holy Ghost has a soul, spirit, and SPIRIT body. HE is GOD, hence A PERSON.

There are 3 persons in the Godhead.
Jesus is the same person as the WORD.

Thanks Leon, The reason i ask those questions is to make sure I understand exactly what you believe without assuming.

If i may ask, which one of those 3 Persons who are GOD is the ONE TRUE LIVING GOD?
Are you using "GOD" as a title or are you using the term as "Person"?

[bibleman]

Hey truth,

Here is what the Bible teaches.

1. GOD THE FATHER has soul, spirit, and SPIRIT body. And HE is GOD, hence A PERSON
2. THE WORD has soul, spirit, and a PHYSICAL body (NOW GLORIFIED PHYSICAL BODY). HE is GOD, hence A PERSON
3. The Holy Ghost has a soul, spirit, and SPIRIT body. HE is GOD, hence A PERSON.

There are 3 persons in the Godhead.
Jesus is the same person as the WORD.

Thanks Leon, The reason i ask those questions is to make sure I understand exactly what you believe without assuming.

If i may ask, which one of those 3 Persons who are GOD is the ONE TRUE LIVING GOD?
Are you using "GOD" as a title or are you using the term as "Person"?

Hi truth,

I have an the answer but ow about you answering it first.

If i may ask, which one of those 3 Persons who are GOD is the ONE TRUE LIVING GOD?

Are you using "GOD" as a title or are you using the term as "Person"?

[the_truth]

Hi truth,

I have an the answer but how about you answering it first.

If i may ask, which one of those 3 Persons who are GOD is the ONE TRUE LIVING GOD? Are you using "GOD" as a title or are you using the term as "Person"?

Well for me, I believe as the Scripture says: There is only ONE GOD, The FATHER of all. HE is THE TRUE and LIVING GOD. HE is 1 PERSON. There is no other. GOD(Theos) is a title describing a attribute of the ONE who said "I AM". This ONE Theos(GOD) is neither the SON or nor the Holy Spirit. THE FATHER is NOT "a" ELOHIM/EL. HE is THE ELOHIM/EL/THEOS (GOD).

[bibleman]

Hi truth,

I have an the answer but how about you answering it first.

If i may ask, which one of those 3 Persons who are GOD is the ONE TRUE LIVING GOD? Are you using "GOD" as a title or are you using the term as "Person"?

Well for me, I believe as the Scripture says: There is only ONE GOD, The FATHER of all. HE is THE TRUE and LIVING GOD. HE is 1 PERSON. There is no other. GOD(Theos) is a title describing a attribute of the ONE who said "I AM". This ONE Theos(GOD) is neither the SON or nor the Holy Spirit. THE FATHER is NOT "a" ELOHIM/EL. HE is THE ELOHIM/EL/THEOS (GOD).

Thanks,

To get an understanding of your beliefs...

Is Jesus GOD?
Is Jesus the same person as God the Father?

Is the Holy Spirit GOD?
Is the Holy Spirit the same person as God the Father?

[the_truth]

To get an understanding of your beliefs...

Is Jesus GOD?
Is Jesus the same person as God the Father?

Is the Holy Spirit GOD?
Is the Holy Spirit the same person as God the Father?

I forgot to add something there is a distinction when using "GOD" as a title and as a PROPER NOUN. As a proper noun, the must be used.


Is JESUS the GOD? NO.
Is Jesus the Same person as GOD the FATHER? Absolutely not.
Is the Holy Spirit the same person as the GOD the Father? Absolutely not.
Is THE ONE who said "I AM" Elohim? Yes.
Is THE ONE who said "I AM" THE Elohim? Yes.
Did the Prophets call THE SON, Elohim? Yes.
Is Jesus THE SON? Yes.

What does Elohim mean? Mighty one, Great One, Judge.

[bibleman]

To get an understanding of your beliefs...

Is Jesus GOD?
Is Jesus the same person as God the Father?

Is the Holy Spirit GOD?
Is the Holy Spirit the same person as God the Father?

I forgot to add something there is a distinction when using "GOD" as a title and as a PROPER NOUN. As a proper noun, the must be used.


Is JESUS the GOD? NO.
Is Jesus the Same person as GOD the FATHER? Absolutely not.
Is the Holy Spirit the same person as the GOD the Father? Absolutely not.
Is THE ONE who said "I AM" Elohim? Yes.
Is THE ONE who said "I AM" THE Elohim? Yes.
Did the Prophets call THE SON, Elohim? Yes.
Is Jesus THE SON? Yes.

What does Elohim mean? Mighty one, Great One, Judge.

HI,

Please explain.

Is JESUS the GOD? NO.
Is THE ONE who said "I AM" Elohim? Yes.

[the_truth]

HI,

Please explain.

Is JESUS the GOD? NO.
Is THE ONE who said "I AM" Elohim? Yes.

The ONE that spoke to Moses through the burning bush declared HIMSELF through THE PROHETS that HE is THE GOD. THE SON of The Living GOD who was born of a woman and seed of flesh said "My Elohim, My Elohim…." Who is HIS Elohim? Is not THE Elohim of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. So that proves that JESUS is not THE Elohim of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Then Jesus spoke and said, "This is eternal life, to know only THE True [Living] Elohim", and HIS Son. The Apostle John who wrote that by the inspiration of the Holy Ghost shows that Jesus is not the THE LIVING and TRUE ELOHIM. He is THE SON.

Now didn't The FATHER call HIMSELF The Elohim? And the answer is an emphatic Yes. 1 Kings 18:39. The Scriptures cannot contradict. THE LORD, HE is THE ELOHIM, then HE spoke and said there is not another like HIMSELF. Is 46:9 THE FATHER speaking " I, [am] ELOHIM, there is none like ME.

I believe and worship only ONE and only ONE TRUE LIVING Elohim. Not 2 and not 3. And i worship HIM through THE SON whom HE sent, the ONE whom HE gave HIS honor so that John 5:23 That ALL men should honor(revere) THE SON, even as they honor(revere) THE FATHER.

[Ironman]

Leon, I'm sure Darren understands Dr. Dake's explanation of the Trinity, he has been a member here for four years.

What about yourself, do you think Jesus was all man and all God?? Can an animal be all dog and all fish at the same time???? Rocky?? Anyone??

This is getting silly? What does dogs and fish have to do with God's revelation of Himself in Scripture?