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Re: Green or Orange?

Post by Hill Top » Mon Apr 08, 2019 2:51 pm

luchnia wrote:
Mon Apr 08, 2019 7:08 am
Plain scripture was given showing that belief on Jesus and water baptism are different
Agreed.
- simply preaching repentance by turning from sin and believing on Jesus has nothing to do with water baptism whatsoever as has been shown.
Then John the baptist's baptism unto repentance for the remission of sins was a false concept...a POV I do not hold.
Jesus once asked the Pharisees if the baptism of John was from heaven or of men. (Mark 11:30)
What is your answer to that question?
The two are only connected in the aspect of men being baptized by men (submersed and then pulled up out of water after repentance).
As the "believing on Jesus" part wasn't introduced till some time later, the baptism in Jesus' name for the remission of sins and into Jesus and into His death, burial, and resurrection eclipsed the baptism unto repentance when the time was right.
But the are accomplished in the same manner, by men, in/with water.
The simple verses given to illustrate the belief in Christ does not include water baptism, yet because of the belief you hold, it is understood that you are challenged when it comes to separating these two things. We see that John the Baptist and others such as Paul and Jesus knew the difference in these two things.
What is the first thing you would tell a convert to do after he asked you "What's next" after he learned about the love and deeds of Jesus Christ?
One thing to remember is that repentance from sin and turning to righteousness did not end with John the Baptist nor did it start with him.
Agreed, but that was the mission God assigned to John before the arrival of Jesus Christ.
If one does not repent and believe (fully immersed) in Jesus then water baptism is a futile endeavor at best.
Interesting...baptism is a futile effort if one doesn't believe and repent.
As you hold baptism as a futile endeavor, which have you yet to do?
Believe? Or repent?
Another question for you, while people were being water baptized, do you think there were any that were baptized that may not have repented and turned from sin?
In John's day...maybe some.
In our days...most who get water baptized for the remission of past sins never quit committing sin.
Their unbelief is manifested by the false death of the old man and its body of sin, and its resurrection with Christ to walk in newness of life.
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Hill Top
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Re: Green or Orange?

Post by Hill Top » Mon Apr 08, 2019 2:53 pm

Sorry for the double post.
I tied to delete it the first one after noticing a "letter" was missing, but couldn't do it.
Such is life



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