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Question: Men virgins???

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Biblically... Are men ever described as being virgins?

And I am talking about physically not in a spiritual nature.

For the moment please exclude Revelations 14:4.


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Re: Question: Men virgins???

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Chastity / virginity, should affect the heart, mind, and soul, not just certain body parts. The morality we espouse and the actions we choose give evidence of our heart’s condition.


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Ironman wrote:
Wed Jun 22, 2022 6:38 pm
Chastity / virginity, should affect the heart, mind, and soul, not just certain body parts. The morality we espouse and the actions we choose give evidence of our heart’s condition.
Agreed!

But I am looking for a passage that would call men virgins like there are passages that call women virgins.

I read a Dake note today that sort of addressed this and was trying to prove it out.

Revelation 14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
Dake says: a [were not defiled with women; for they are virgins] If this statement were taken literally, it would prove that they are all men. But if the next statement were taken literally, it would prove that they are all women -- virgins. Obviously, the idea is to picture their purity of character. They are saved men and women who have not polluted themselves with the idolatrous and immoral religious system of the great whore of Rev. 17. See Paul's similar comparison, 2Cor. 11:2."
Dake seems to be insinuating that ONLY women are virgins.


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Isaiah who prophesied " A virgin will conceive "
It is understood he, by the Holy Spirit, was speaking of a woman (Mary) not a man



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bibleman wrote:
Wed Jun 22, 2022 9:45 pm
Ironman wrote:
Wed Jun 22, 2022 6:38 pm
Chastity / virginity, should affect the heart, mind, and soul, not just certain body parts. The morality we espouse and the actions we choose give evidence of our heart’s condition.
Agreed!

But I am looking for a passage that would call men virgins like there are passages that call women virgins.

I read a Dake note today that sort of addressed this and was trying to prove it out.

Revelation 14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
Dake says: a [were not defiled with women; for they are virgins] If this statement were taken literally, it would prove that they are all men. But if the next statement were taken literally, it would prove that they are all women -- virgins. Obviously, the idea is to picture their purity of character. They are saved men and women who have not polluted themselves with the idolatrous and immoral religious system of the great whore of Rev. 17. See Paul's similar comparison, 2Cor. 11:2."
Dake seems to be insinuating that ONLY women are virgins.
What is the "next statement" he cites?
Is it the second sentence of Rev 14:4?



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Hill Top wrote:
Wed Jun 22, 2022 10:50 pm
bibleman wrote:
Wed Jun 22, 2022 9:45 pm
Ironman wrote:
Wed Jun 22, 2022 6:38 pm
Chastity / virginity, should affect the heart, mind, and soul, not just certain body parts. The morality we espouse and the actions we choose give evidence of our heart’s condition.
Agreed!

But I am looking for a passage that would call men virgins like there are passages that call women virgins.

I read a Dake note today that sort of addressed this and was trying to prove it out.

Revelation 14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
Dake says: a [were not defiled with women; for they are virgins] If this statement were taken literally, it would prove that they are all men. But if the next statement were taken literally, it would prove that they are all women -- virgins. Obviously, the idea is to picture their purity of character. They are saved men and women who have not polluted themselves with the idolatrous and immoral religious system of the great whore of Rev. 17. See Paul's similar comparison, 2Cor. 11:2."
Dake seems to be insinuating that ONLY women are virgins.
What is the "next statement" he cites?
Is it the second sentence of Rev 14:4?

What is the "next statement" he cites?

"for they are virgins."


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What about the eunuchs Jesus mentions? Not the involuntary, but those that have chosen to be eunuchs?

Would they be considered male virgins?



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Spiritblade Disciple wrote:
Thu Jun 23, 2022 12:48 pm
What about the eunuchs Jesus mentions? Not the involuntary, but those that have chosen to be eunuchs?

Would they be considered male virgins?
I guess it would all depend on WHEN they became eunuchs.

But still looking for a general statement that would call men virgins in much the same way as women are called virgins.

From reading Dake's note it seems he thinks that ONLY women are defined as "virgins."


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Might have to look for the Greek word for virgin or virgins in the Septuagint to find such an usage?



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Re: Question: Men virgins???

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bibleman wrote:
Wed Jun 22, 2022 11:36 pm
Hill Top wrote:
Wed Jun 22, 2022 10:50 pm
bibleman wrote:
Wed Jun 22, 2022 9:45 pm
Ironman wrote:
Wed Jun 22, 2022 6:38 pm
Chastity / virginity, should affect the heart, mind, and soul, not just certain body parts. The morality we espouse and the actions we choose give evidence of our heart’s condition.
Agreed!
But I am looking for a passage that would call men virgins like there are passages that call women virgins.
I read a Dake note today that sort of addressed this and was trying to prove it out.


Revelation 14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
Dake says: a [were not defiled with women; for they are virgins] If this statement were taken literally, it would prove that they are all men. But if the next statement were taken literally, it would prove that they are all women -- virgins. Obviously, the idea is to picture their purity of character. They are saved men and women who have not polluted themselves with the idolatrous and immoral religious system of the great whore of Rev. 17. See Paul's similar comparison, 2Cor. 11:2."
Dake seems to be insinuating that ONLY women are virgins.
What is the "next statement" he cites?
Is it the second sentence of Rev 14:4?
What is the "next statement" he cites?
"for they are virgins."
Thanks, so "they" are men, who have not been defiled by women.
Seems rather obvious.
Men as well as women are virgins until they have sex.



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