I'm not interested in either POV, so didn't examine them closely.Spiritblade Disciple wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 11:47 pmHill Top wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 11:08 pmSaving folks isn't something They "do", it is something He equips us to do.Spiritblade Disciple wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 6:18 pmDo you think that They are good at getting people saved? Especially, considering the comparatively few that are saved versus those who are damned?branham1965 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 12:27 pmGOD the Father,GOD the Son,and GOD the Holy Ghost are working to get souls into THE KINGDOM,THEY ARE TRYING TO GET PEOPLE SAVED BY THE BLOOD OF JESUS NOT DAMN THEM TO HELL!!
If the gospel is his it is hid to them that are lost.IN WHOM the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ who is the image of God should shine unto them.2 Corinthians 4:3-4.
The thief is the one who steals,kills and destroys.John 10:10
The Lord Jesus Christ wants people to be saved.1 Timothy 2;2 Peter 3:9
JESUS is waiting for the precious fruit of the earth and he hath long patience for it.James 5:7
But men are given the choice of salvation, and few value it enough to give up their previous lives for it.
Neither.Spiritblade Disciple wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 6:18 pmThere's a saying... Calvinists believe that God is powerful enough to get everyone saved and knows how, but doesn't want to save everyone. Arminians believe that God wants to save everyone but lacks the ability and/or the know how to do so.
Concerning those that are lost... Is it because They didn't have the ability or the know how to get them saved? Both? Neither? Could they have created a world wherein they would have been more successful in saving an higher percentage of people?
Neither takes into account the free will of men.
I think if you'll look into it, you'll find that the free will of men is included in the Arminian side.
Very effective, as nobody hears the word without some one telling them about it.
Faith cometh by hearing, and saying.
Men have been directly involved with every conversion.
If the effectiveness is being measured only by the amount of converts...miserably.
But God did say "few would be saved".