Your quote from Jerry Bridges which opened the thread was: "If there is a single event in all of the universe that can occur outside of God's sovereign control, then we cannot trust Him. His love may be infinite, but if His power is limited and His purpose can be thwarted, we cannot trust Him....

"Oh so God foreknew but had to stand as bemused spectator and watch? Come on we are talking about God who was able to create all from nothing, to bring life to dust and created the cosmos and all that we can imagine. Of course God's hand was in Joseph's story or else the story of Joseph is not...

The real problem with the Reformed camp and the pseudo-Arminian/Wesleyan camp is that they do not read and interpret Scripture and attempt to bring their understanding and the need to understand it with them. It really becomes clear when you look at the doctrine of election and predestination. On t...

Justaned asked: "So why don't you show me what part of the story was a surprise to God and which part was blind luck?" Don't know what you're talking about - I wasn't talking about a story and I never said God is surprised by events. But that has nothing to do with sovereignty; it has to ...

Well I'm always fighting the Sola Gratia crowd as I strongly disagree with them on this. Like I say I can't figure out why Christians in general are always in ditch on one side of the road or other. God wants us in the middle of road but for some reason we pick on thing and ride it right into the di...

Yes Billy I remember head knowledge and heart knowledge and spiritual knowledge and all the other terms churches used against each other. Like little kids "my dad can beat your dad." When in fact the kids mother could probably take both fathers. :mrgreen: I remember many Pentecostal church...

I still don't know what it stands for, unless my guess was correct?

:lol!: :lol!: no offence to anyone +LOL2 +LOL2 +LOL2 +lol +lol +lol but that hit my funny bone.that is :lol!: :-D thats one of the funniest things ive read heard in ages... i think Calvin was the skunk of papacy fighters.he has hoodwinked,bamboozled,misled .....more people than anyone in the reform...

"You fail to understand where disease came from. It is from the curse brought on by fall of man." yes, but that is not what Sproul and Calvinists (most of them) believe. Actually, according to them, God foreordained the Fall of man (not just allowed for it, but decreed it must happen). Th...

I, for one, absolutely deny the unscriptural concepts of sovereignty R.C. Sproul works with. For him (and for most other Calvinists) it is nothing more than determinism, where God is the all-determining Being behind everything that takes place; including even the sinful actions of human beings (lik...