Here's another draft by Grok detailing the strongest possible case for the Jesus Died Spiritually doctrine; drawing from Kenneth E. Hagin, Kenneth Copeland, Keith Moore, and Charles Capps. The Strongest and Most Exhaustive Case for the Teaching That Jesus Died Spiritually (As articulated by E.W. Ken...

The bible teaches the death of The messiah on the cross was sufficient. So, you're saying that the resurrection of Jesus was unnecessary for our salvation? NO.....what is not necessary is all the added stuff about Jesus having to go into the torment part of hell and fight Satan and demons etc etc, ...

macca wrote: ↑Wed Jul 29, 2026 8:15 am The bible teaches the death of The messiah on the cross was sufficient.

So, you're saying that the resurrection of Jesus was unnecessary for our salvation?

I asked Grok to compile the strongest arguments that Copeland and Hagin have presented for the "Jesus Died Spiritually" doctrine. Here's what Grok wrote: The strongest arguments advanced by Kenneth E. Hagin and Kenneth Copeland for the claim that Jesus died spiritually These rest on a spec...

Excellent!

When I see these kinds of breakdowns, I am always puzzled by the ommission of anything concerning the Word. Several of the attributes assigned to the Son should be assigned to the Word. So, the Son is NOT the Word and the Word is NOT the Son? And, the Son is NOT God, but the Word is God? Sonship al...

Looks like we lost a few replies to the void of cyberspace. That said, where would you disagree with the following? Quoted from https://www.ltcbr.com/beliefs - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - GOD There is only one God (Deuteronomy 6:4). He is the creator of heaven and earth, and of all living beings. He...

Hill Top wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2026 12:50 am I view the Holy Ghost as an appendage of God.
A part of God that can be used to accomplish God's will in or for us.

So, not a person, right?

Hill Top wrote: ↑Fri Jun 12, 2026 12:02 am Spiritblade Disciple wrote:
"Do you believe that the Word ceased being God when the Word became flesh?"

Yes, as the Word had to lay aside very much to be born of a woman and walk as we walk.

Interesting.

Do you also believe that He is not God now?

Spiritblade Disciple wrote: "Dake would likely conclude that you are most likely conflating verses about baptism by the Spirit into Christ with the ceremony of water baptism. For Dake, the two baptisms were different baptisms. Not the same baptism." I feel they are different baptisms; the...