But what you are saying is Judas was never saved. So your example of ministers falling into sin does not apply.olindquist wrote:No Jesus is not in the business of calling sinners into the ministry. It breaks his heart just like it did concerning Judas and just like it will at the judgment day with the many. This has been my point which is important.
Have you not heard of ministers that had healing/deliverance ministries that testified of them being in known sin (usually adultery which is one of the death penalty sins and thus from dakes definition they would be lost at that moment) and yet miracles and deliverance were still taking place.
Miracles are not the sign of salvation but relationship and the fruit of Mat 5-7.
I know we differ and should both let this go. I was trying to be respectful in answering your questions. Thanks for your responses it has been heated at times but helpful.
What minister could you point to in the last 100 years that was a sinner and Jesus anointed them to preach heal and cast out devil, and they did it and were not saved?