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Re: Bro Hagin says you won't go to Hell for killing 300 people!

Postby Ironman » Fri Sep 01, 2017 1:45 am

macca wrote:Leon I do not hear Dad say what you are claiming at all..... Dad is talking about the world.. not Christians and as such I totally agree with what he said.
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Re: Bro Hagin says you won't go to Hell for killing 300 people!

Postby bibleman » Fri Sep 01, 2017 10:17 am

WOW, don't get angry with me because I pointed out what brother Hagin said! It is on the video, you can hear it for yourself.

The title of the message is: "The Only Sin That Leads To Hell _ Kenneth E Hagin"

Also on the tape concerning robbing a filling station brother Hagin says: "You could stop on the way home an rob a filling station. God will permit you to do it but it is not his will for you to do it. He then says you can still do it but you will get out of the will of God." NOW of course that statement is true. But notice he never said you would lose your salvation for robbing the filling station - you would just get out of the will of God.

Now of course I love brother Hagin. I have every single book and tape he ever did. I listen to him almost every single day. I have listened over and over and over again to him minister. I have been to a number of his meetings. I have met him personally. I have met with and had a number of discussions with his son Ken Jr. I love brother Hagin without doubt and without question.

BUT He said what he said and you can't blame me for what brother Hagin said.

Here is the full quote:

And did you ever stop to think about it? According to the Scriptures, that's the only sin that will cause anybody to go to Hell.
If you robbed 100 banks, if you committed adultery 1,000 times, if you killed 300 people, not a one of them would send you to Hell... But not accepting Jesus. Are you listening to me. Are you listening to me.


Now that is what brother Hagin said. I would ask you the same question brother Hagin asked: "Are you listening to HIM?"

On the other side of the coin here is what Dake says about committing sin:

One sin brought all the nation to defeat and caused God to stop His blessing. One sin is what caused Adam and the whole race to be under the present curse (Gen. 2:19; Rom. 5:12-21). One sin brings the same result as committing all sins (Jas. 2:9-10). Any one of the death-penalty sins of Mk. 7:19-21; Rom. 1:21-32; 1Cor. 6:9-11; Gal. 5:19-21; Col. 3:5-10 will damn the soul of any person, regardless of his claims to salvation, for there is no partiality with God. Grace, love, mercy, and salvation from God do not license one to sin or free him from responsibility. Sin has its deadly effect on all alike -- in every generation, in every place and among all races.
Finis Jennings Dake, Dake's Annotated Reference Bible: Containing the Old and New Testaments of the Authorized or King James Version Text, (Lawrenceville, GA: Dake Bible Sales, Inc., 1997), WORDsearch CROSS e-book, Under: "Chapter 7".


I love BOTH Dake and Hagin. They are such vessels of deposit into my life! But on this issue Dake is right.

Let me ask you guys a question. Where in any of Hagin's books or tapes did he ever say that you would go to Hell for sin? Not lose fellowship... but go to Hell?

It would help a lot to have one of those quotes.


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Re: Bro Hagin says you won't go to Hell for killing 300 people!

Postby Ironman » Sat Sep 02, 2017 12:14 am

"Brother Hagin taught us to be like an old cow... eat the good and spit out the bad.


And chew the cud!

Chewing a cud is a process by which some animals, called ruminants (camels, goats, sheep, deer, and cattle), thoroughly digest their food. :angel: :angel:


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Re: Bro Hagin says you won't go to Hell for killing 300 people!

Postby branham1965 » Sat Sep 02, 2017 12:44 am

I listened to the first 10 minutes of this.

Dad is talking about unsaved people here.Not Christians.

As Macca said.



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Re: Bro Hagin says you won't go to Hell for killing 300 people!

Postby luchnia » Sat Sep 02, 2017 4:41 pm

Reading this thread made me think about something I was told a long time ago and that is to discuss or focus on the problem or issue. It makes all the difference and will promote some great discussions. Many times it will allow you to see further into the topic of discussion.

I also remember the key parts of learning are asking the what, when, where, why, how, etc. questions that lead to deeper thoughts. We can have information and then knowledge, but if we struggle to bring value from the knowledge we tend to miss the deepness that enriches us.

I know a Sunday school teacher that is die-hard with the "you only fall out of fellowship with God when you sin" deal and at times it is difficult to hold my peace about it. I have mellowed out more over the years and can tolerate it now, but in my view it opposes the hard facts of the Word. I have found I just state the scriptures and let the chips fall were they may because there is something that clouds minds on this matter.


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Re: Bro Hagin says you won't go to Hell for killing 300 people!

Postby frenchie » Sun Sep 03, 2017 12:53 pm

Please fogive my intrusion here.

Before i repented and was saved we could say that i was going to hell because i was'nt saved yet. Then supose that i would commit these aditional sins of killing raping ect, could we say that i was going to hell because of those sins since i was already going to hell before comitting them.
Could we then say that i would go to hell by refusing to take avantage of the salvation offered and paid by our precious Lord and Saviour?
In that perspective or context i see nothing wrong said by brother Hagin.

Again, just my two cents and looking foward for your ligths on this mere question of mine.



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Re: Bro Hagin says you won't go to Hell for killing 300 people!

Postby bibleman » Sun Sep 03, 2017 4:26 pm

frenchie wrote:Please fogive my intrusion here.

Before i repented and was saved we could say that i was going to hell because i was'nt saved yet. Then supose that i would commit these aditional sins of killing raping ect, could we say that i was going to hell because of those sins since i was already going to hell before comitting them.
Could we then say that i would go to hell by refusing to take avantage of the salvation offered and paid by our precious Lord and Saviour?
In that perspective or context i see nothing wrong said by brother Hagin.

Again, just my two cents and looking foward for your ligths on this mere question of mine.


I understand frenchie!

No problem all of us have our observations and yours are fine as are Macca's. No problem.

Here is how I see it.

Brother Hagin said: And did you ever stop to think about it? According to the Scriptures, that's the only sin that will cause anybody to go to Hell.


I have never read even one Scripture that says that rejection of Jesus is the ONLY sin that cause anybody to go to Hell.

DAKE says: "Not one Scripture says that men will be damned only for the sin of rejecting Christ." Finis J. Dake, God's Plan for Man, (Lawrenceville, GA: Dake Publishing, Inc., 2004), WORDsearch CROSS e-book, 423.

DAKE says: "Every transgression of the law is sin, and the penalty for any one sin is death (Gen. 2:17; Ezek. 3:7-14; 18:4-24; 33:7-20; Rom 1:32; 6:16-23; 8:12-13; Gal. 5:19-21; Col. 3:5-10; Jas. 2:10; 5:19-20; 1 Jn. 3:4). The sin of rejecting Christ is just one sin, and it is not the only sin that will damn the soul." Finis J. Dake, God's Plan for Man, (Lawrenceville, GA: Dake Publishing, Inc., 2004), WORDsearch CROSS e-book, 423.

So where is that Scripture that says, that the only sin that will cause anybody to go to Hell, is rejecting Jesus Christ?

If someone will show it to me - then we will have no argument at all - as Dake use to say.

As for me, I have never found it.


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