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Re: Believe ONLY and be saved? Anderson? Swaggart?

Postby Spiritblade Disciple » Mon Apr 24, 2017 10:22 pm

bibleman wrote:
Spiritblade Disciple wrote:
bibleman wrote:
Spiritblade Disciple wrote:I think this guy is in need of a haircut!


A Haircut?

On the top of his head OR on his chin?

The top is what I was looking at.


Hum... I wonder why the chin does not bother you???? Hum could your facebook shed a clue??? (big smile)

Not just that... Beards are biblically significant, in my opinion. :mrgreen:

https://youtu.be/Bvlgt90TlM4
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Re: Believe ONLY and be saved? Anderson? Swaggart?

Postby luchnia » Tue Apr 25, 2017 6:00 pm

bibleman wrote:Just saw this young man on Youtube and he really comes at Salvation from a Dake perspective! (Not that all of his teachings follow Dake)

He has Swaggart and Anderson on his video preaching the false doctrine that he addresses.

Very powerful!

The Church (and those not in the Church) really need a dose of CLEAN and HOLY living taught today!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUB6kZjmmdc

Yes, this was interesting. I repeat my statement from another post - believing is the hardest work a man or woman will ever do! Believing on something is not the same as believing IN someone! The simple statement of confess with your mouth and believe in your heart that God raised Jesus from the dead is LOADED.

If confessing or believing each alone were enough, every could easily do that and we would share some grand seats with demons. I have often thought man's responsibility was way more than I ever heard preached and when you read the words in Revelation some reality sets in and you begin to understand more of what working out your own salvation with fear and trembling means.


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Re: Believe ONLY and be saved? Anderson? Swaggart?

Postby Ironman » Tue Apr 25, 2017 6:12 pm

Its with fear and trembling we received Him and continue to obey Him whether in His presence or not.

2 Corinthians 7:15, And his inward affection is more abundant toward you, whilst he remembereth the obedience of you all, how with fear and trembling ye received him.

Philippians 2:12, Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.


Have I become your enemy, because I tell you the truth.

I'll be a fool for truth's sake. Truth is fallen in the street. I wont pass it by. I'll pick it up and embrace it regardless of the costs.

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Re: Believe ONLY and be saved? Anderson? Swaggart?

Postby branham1965 » Tue Apr 25, 2017 7:22 pm

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Ironman wrote:Its with fear and trembling we received Him and continue to obey Him whether in His presence or not.

2 Corinthians 7:15, And his inward affection is more abundant toward you, whilst he remembereth the obedience of you all, how with fear and trembling ye received him.

Philippians 2:12, Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.



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Re: Believe ONLY and be saved? Anderson? Swaggart?

Postby bibleman » Tue Apr 25, 2017 9:51 pm

branham1965 wrote:Do you think that people are preaching a different message regarding

salvation and walking with Christ???

bibleman wrote:
branham1965 wrote:Pastor Bible,

do you think that some who come forward or pray the sinners prayer are not saved??

is it because the message has been changed???

Reverend Dake tells us exactly how to be saved in GPFM,BTU AND the DARB.

Between the Testaments in the Guide to Christian workers he tells us how to be saved AND how to lived saved and much more.how to witness etc.

this section in the Dake Reference Bible is the BEST of its kind.

bibleman wrote:Just saw this young man on Youtube and he really comes at Salvation from a Dake perspective! (Not that all of his teachings follow Dake)

He has Swaggart and Anderson on his video preaching the false doctrine that he addresses.

Very powerful!

The Church (and those not in the Church) really need a dose of CLEAN and HOLY living taught today!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUB6kZjmmdc


No Billy I don't believe that just because a person "says" they are sorry for their sins and "say" they make Jesus Lord of their life - that they are saved.

Their actions will tell it they really receveid Jesus or not!

Proverbs 28:13 He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.


Yes Billy people are preaching a different message today than what was preached years ago.

I mean can you imagine David Wilkerson teaching that a person could go to Motel 6 and commit adultery and the Holy Spriti would go with you?

Creflo Dollar - And, besides, what you used to do, you did it by yourself; but now that you have company on the inside of you, now that you've been born again and the holy ghost has moved on the inside of you, you have got to understand that everything you do right now, he's gonna do it with you.
00:09:37 So if you decide to go to the strip joint, he's going with you, and if you decide to go to motel 6 and try to do something you ain't got nothing to do, he's going with you.
00:09:45 Somebody says, "oh, I don't believe that; doesn't that " honey, let me tell you, the holy ghost has thick skin.
00:09:52 He is able to go through whatever needs--whatever he needs to go through to get you, because who do you think is gonna be the one to counsel you out of your ditch when you fall in that ditch? http://tv.ark.com/transcript/creflo_dollar/2856/TBN/Thursday_October_10_2013/688596/


NO WAY!

What is being preached today is a different Gospel.

Jude 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. (KJV)


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Re: Believe ONLY and be saved? Anderson? Swaggart?

Postby branham1965 » Wed Apr 26, 2017 12:39 am

Pastor Bible,

thank you.
i just do not understand the hyper grace thing.how can people read the Word and believe that??
i heard Reverend Dake say on youtube earlier that people need the New Birth.and need to keep it.we all need to get saved and stay saved.

He made an impression on his audience and on me too.my late Pastor studied after him so he preached that way.



when i see someone like (CD) making those comments i cannot fathom it.

what he is saying was called backsliding not too long ago.

that is very dangerous teaching that he and these others are postulating. :agrue:



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Re: Believe ONLY and be saved? Anderson? Swaggart?

Postby branham1965 » Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:28 am

On pages 95-97 of God' Plan for man

there is a great section entitled "War on the Saints"

in the Dake Reference Bible it is on page 634.

and is in Bible Truths Unmasked pages 14-21 Chapter 3 The Reality of Spiritual Warfare.

in this chapter Reverend Dake powerfully expounds on this subject.He teaches in point 5

number 1 How to detect Counterfeit Religions and Demon Workings.

point number 12 How to tell when one is DECEIVED is very sobering.

we are a strange breed today.

we so often refuse to admit that we are wrong.

we cannot accept and refuse to accept that we are wrong or that we are deceived.

and all it does is hurt us and can kill us if we are not honest. it does not help us to follow false doctrine.it will not save us.

this hyper grace sin all you want thrives on that rebellion.



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Re: Believe ONLY and be saved? Anderson? Swaggart?

Postby luchnia » Wed Apr 26, 2017 6:50 am

Amen! Dake did not agree with the sinning saint lie. He never taught one could live in sin and be saved. He was very adamant about it as were all the great men of God.

Folks today simply don't get the message and they hear a watered down gospel of deception. They compromise the truth of God by mingling the seed. They somehow think they can live in sin and enter eternal life. We all know where that lie came from.

It should remind us of the words of the dark one, "you won't surely die..." I even hear people say, you are saved whether you sin or not. Another ridiculous statement is, "Jesus died for all sins, past, present, and future, so it does not matter what you do." Where does anyone get such ridiculous nonsense?

Imagine a man commits murder and is pardoned, then goes and commits murder again. Are people so naive to think that any court in the land will let him off the second time (much less the court of heaven) because he was let off when he committed his first murder? Normally the second offense is even worse judgment than the first.


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Re: Believe ONLY and be saved? Anderson? Swaggart?

Postby titus213 » Wed Apr 26, 2017 7:07 am

When Jesus died on the cross, all of our sins were future.



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Re: Believe ONLY and be saved? Anderson? Swaggart?

Postby Doc » Wed Apr 26, 2017 7:11 am

Well...here's the thing. I think what the kid is saying on the video is heartfelt, and I think he is simply trying to promote holiness, except those of us who are brought up in salvation in the holiness traditions, would approach it from a different scriptural perspective.
Romans 10:9 (AMP) - "Because if you acknowledge and confess with your lips that Jesus is Lord and in your heart believe (adhere to, trust in, and rely on the truth) that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved."

Note in the AMP translation how it builds in the interpretation from the original language what it means to BELIEVE. Herein lies the rub. The admonition from Paul is correct here. It is all and everything we need to do to initiate salvation. Is it enough to live holy and proper lives pleasing to God? Not really, unless we sincerely adhere to, trust in, and rely on Jesus.
Belief in Jesus is more than my belief in say, George Washington. The scripture says I must believe in not only who Jesus is, but also what God has done in Him for the benefit of the human race.

The young man quoted a lot from Jesus when He was alive, and it is all great truth, but it's pre death and resurrection. It is a lot of legal pre NT John the Baptist Law. It's a very heavily works laden teaching. Once Jesus went to the cross, even the OT saints who had been awaiting their release from Hades finally were set free by the Blood of Christ.

What I ACTUALLY need to do is simply believe (adhere to, rely on, trust in) Jesus Christ. I don't find what this kid is teaching to be what Dake taught. I find Dake to be a classic holiness teacher. I'm sure he got that from his years with the Church of God.

In watching the video I was not inspired. I felt more indoctrinated into a more legal and carnal way of trying to receive what has indeed been freely given to the world through the Cross of Christ. Once we are born again, then we can begin to renew our way of thinking and begin the journey (Romans 12) toward the Baptism in the Holy Spirit, known more prominently by the old timers as "second blessing holiness". The Baptism in the Holy Spirit is far more than just speaking in tongues, and while I believe in and appreciate that Pentecostal tradition and biblical truth, I also appreciate my holiness roots as well. Heart purity is the ultimate goal.

My two cents anyway.

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