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Is God going to judge America just as he judged Sodom?

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Is God going to judge America just as he judged Sodom?

Genesis 13:13 But the men of Sodom were wicked and sinners before the LORD exceedingly.

Dake note on "were wicked and sinners:" Homosexuals (sodomites or lesbians) and other perverts are always classed as wicked sinners.

God cannot and will not tolerate their sin.

He judged these sodomite cities as a lesson to others, and condemned those who followed their example, rewarding them with eternal hell (Gen. 18:20; 19:5,13; Isa. 3:9; Rom. 1:18-32; 2Pet. 2; Jude 1:7-19).

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Re: Is God going to judge America just as he judged Sodom?

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While I cannot say we know everything God has planned for men we do know this much. God will judge sodomites be they American, Australian or any other nationals, and they will be punished unless they repent of their sins before death or Christs return just as all other unrepentant sinners will be judged and punished. We do know from Scripture that its the Old Roman Empire territory that will be ruled by the coming Antichrist and he will kill those who do not take his mark. God will deal with those who do. As far as God judging all of America because of the few, I don't know but I am thinking no? We have sodomites here in most major cities and I cannot see God judging, (punishing) all Australians because of them. The same goes for the USA in my opinion.

We are now just at the end, hopefully, of a super storm that swept through the valley where I live, and also parts of Sydney, which destroyed many homes, no power, no water, for a week, some homes still are cut off, and the floods that followed the heavy rain swept homes away, I believe seven people have been killed, drowned, washed away crossing rivers in their cars and yet my place was left unscathed, praise God! Why? I prayed when the storm began for God to protect my family, home, neighbours and the innocent and went to bed and slept! Woke up, had power, water, no damage! Some lost everything. We had hail last night as well, still no damage. Some buildings in Sydney collapsed under the weight of the hail that fell upon them?

I ask, I am not judging at all, Is God judging these people, or are these storms just some freak of nature type of storms? I'm sure God never created the weather, wind, rain, heat and cold to combine and be so violent as to destroy lives and homes.


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John 12:44-50
​Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me. And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me. I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness. And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak. KJV



1. He that sees or knows Jesus, he also sees and knows the one who sent Him
2. If any man hearing Jesus' words does not believe them, he is not judged, He came not to judge but rather to save.
3. He who does not receive these words and even rejects Jesus himself, he will be judged in a last day by the same words Jesus already spoke.
4. This was not Jesus' options, it was Him speaking on Father's behalf.

Here you can hear some good teaching on it as well.
http://www.mediafire.com/listen/g2heaup ... dgment.mp3


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Re: Is God going to judge America just as he judged Sodom?

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According to Deuteronomy he says he will.
I would imagine He is not kidding. 1 Peter 4:19 Peter says (paraphresing) If we be scarsely saved howabout the others.
Judges 19 The man and his damsel, where the homosexuals murdered her and he sent a part of her body to each of the
12 tribes and in the end the homosexuals were killed. In Sodom and Gomorrah the same when the homosexuals attempted
to set up to rape the angels of God. With lawlessness from the highest courts to the thugs on the street
when it becomes as in the days of Noah Jesus Christ will come, but before then, God can elect to
keep His promises for disobedience. Would it not be that God would do nothing after much time
as the people and their elected robots deny the country was blessed by Jesus Christs for those
whom came to America for religious freedom. Then how is it that staying indiginous was foolishly
disrespected, taking in pagans, contaminating the blessing for those whom love God, that do not heed Gods statutes.
All of Americas problems are by not being indiginous to those of linage that came to worship God
and Jesus Christ. Now, that is null and void. Shall God bless a heathen nation?


Curses for Disobedience
15 However, if you do not obey the Lord your God and do not carefully follow all his commands and decrees I am giving you today, all these curses will come on you and overtake you:
16 You will be cursed in the city and cursed in the country.
17 Your basket and your kneading trough will be cursed.
18 The fruit of your womb will be cursed, and the crops of your land, and the calves of your herds and the lambs of your flocks.
19 You will be cursed when you come in and cursed when you go out.
20 The Lord will send on you curses, confusion and rebuke in everything you put your hand to, until you are destroyed and come to sudden ruin because of the evil you have done in forsaking him.[a] 21 The Lord will plague you with diseases until he has destroyed you from the land you are entering to possess. 22 The Lord will strike you with wasting disease, with fever and inflammation, with scorching heat and drought, with blight and mildew, which will plague you until you perish. 23 The sky over your head will be bronze, the ground beneath you iron. 24 The Lord will turn the rain of your country into dust and powder; it will come down from the skies until you are destroyed.
25 The Lord will cause you to be defeated before your enemies. You will come at them from one direction but flee from them in seven, and you will become a thing of horror to all the kingdoms on earth. 26 Your carcasses will be food for all the birds and the wild animals, and there will be no one to frighten them away. 27 The Lord will afflict you with the boils of Egypt and with tumors, festering sores and the itch, from which you cannot be cured. 28 The Lord will afflict you with madness, blindness and confusion of mind. 29 At midday you will grope about like a blind person in the dark. You will be unsuccessful in everything you do; day after day you will be oppressed and robbed, with no one to rescue you.
30 You will be pledged to be married to a woman, but another will take her and rape her. You will build a house, but you will not live in it. You will plant a vineyard, but you will not even begin to enjoy its fruit. 31 Your ox will be slaughtered before your eyes, but you will eat none of it. Your donkey will be forcibly taken from you and will not be returned. Your sheep will be given to your enemies, and no one will rescue them. 32 Your sons and daughters will be given to another nation, and you will wear out your eyes watching for them day after day, powerless to lift a hand. 33 A people that you do not know will eat what your land and labor produce, and you will have nothing but cruel oppression all your days. 34 The sights you see will drive you mad. 35 The Lord will afflict your knees and legs with painful boils that cannot be cured, spreading from the soles of your feet to the top of your head.
36 The Lord will drive you and the king you set over you to a nation unknown to you or your ancestors. There you will worship other gods, gods of wood and stone. 37 You will become a thing of horror, a byword and an object of ridicule among all the peoples where the Lord will drive you.
38 You will sow much seed in the field but you will harvest little, because locusts will devour it. 39 You will plant vineyards and cultivate them but you will not drink the wine or gather the grapes, because worms will eat them. 40 You will have olive trees throughout your country but you will not use the oil, because the olives will drop off. 41 You will have sons and daughters but you will not keep them, because they will go into captivity. 42 Swarms of locusts will take over all your trees and the crops of your land.
43 The foreigners who reside among you will rise above you higher and higher, but you will sink lower and lower. 44 They will lend to you, but you will not lend to them. They will be the head, but you will be the tail.
45 All these curses will come on you. They will pursue you and overtake you until you are destroyed, because you did not obey the Lord your God and observe the commands and decrees he gave you. 46 They will be a sign and a wonder to you and your descendants forever. 47 Because you did not serve the Lord your God joyfully and gladly in the time of prosperity, 48 therefore in hunger and thirst, in nakedness and dire poverty, you will serve the enemies the Lord sends against you. He will put an iron yoke on your neck until he has destroyed you.
49 The Lord will bring a nation against you from far away, from the ends of the earth, like an eagle swooping down, a nation whose language you will not understand, 50 a fierce-looking nation without respect for the old or pity for the young. 51 They will devour the young of your livestock and the crops of your land until you are destroyed. They will leave you no grain, new wine or olive oil, nor any calves of your herds or lambs of your flocks until you are ruined. 52 They will lay siege to all the cities throughout your land until the high fortified walls in which you trust fall down. They will besiege all the cities throughout the land the Lord your God is giving you.
53 Because of the suffering your enemy will inflict on you during the siege, you will eat the fruit of the womb, the flesh of the sons and daughters the Lord your God has given you. 54 Even the most gentle and sensitive man among you will have no compassion on his own brother or the wife he loves or his surviving children, 55 and he will not give to one of them any of the flesh of his children that he is eating. It will be all he has left because of the suffering your enemy will inflict on you during the siege of all your cities. 56 The most gentle and sensitive woman among you—so sensitive and gentle that she would not venture to touch the ground with the sole of her foot—will begrudge the husband she loves and her own son or daughter 57 the afterbirth from her womb and the children she bears. For in her dire need she intends to eat them secretly because of the suffering your enemy will inflict on you during the siege of your cities.
58 If you do not carefully follow all the words of this law, which are written in this book, and do not revere this glorious and awesome name—the Lord your God— 59 the Lord will send fearful plagues on you and your descendants, harsh and prolonged disasters, and severe and lingering illnesses. 60 He will bring on you all the diseases of Egypt that you dreaded, and they will cling to you. 61 The Lord will also bring on you every kind of sickness and disaster not recorded in this Book of the Law, until you are destroyed. 62 You who were as numerous as the stars in the sky will be left but few in number, because you did not obey the Lord your God. 63 Just as it pleased the Lord to make you prosper and increase in number, so it will please him to ruin and destroy you. You will be uprooted from the land you are entering to possess.
64 Then the Lord will scatter you among all nations, from one end of the earth to the other. There you will worship other gods—gods of wood and stone, which neither you nor your ancestors have known. 65 Among those nations you will find no repose, no resting place for the sole of your foot. There the Lord will give you an anxious mind, eyes weary with longing, and a despairing heart. 66 You will live in constant suspense, filled with dread both night and day, never sure of your life. 67 In the morning you will say, “If only it were evening!” and in the evening, “If only it were morning!”—because of the terror that will fill your hearts and the sights that your eyes will see. 68 The Lord will send you back in ships to Egypt on a journey I said you should never make again. There you will offer yourselves for sale to your enemies as male and female slaves, but no one will buy you.
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Luke 13: 23 30 (too late) 23 and a certain one said to him, `Sir, are those saved few?' and he said unto them, 24 `Be striving to go in through the straight gate, because many, I say to you, will seek to go in, and shall not be able; 25 from the time the master of the house may have risen up, and may have shut the door, and ye may begin without to stand, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, lord, open to us, and he answering shall say to you, I have not known you whence ye are, 26 then ye may begin to say, We did eat before thee, and did drink, and in our broad places thou didst teach; 27 and he shall say, I say to you, I have not known you whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of the unrighteousness. 28 `There shall be there the weeping and the gnashing of the teeth, when ye may see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the reign of God, and yourselves being cast out without; 29 and they shall come from east and west, and from north and south, and shall recline in the reign of God, 30 and lo, there are last who shall be first, and there are first who shall be last.'




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Re: Is God going to judge America just as he judged Sodom?

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It will be much worse for the USA and Australia because we have had the light of the gospel and now these two countries are putting that light out.


reap the whirlwind and they still will curse God.

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Well, it seems that some are still living under the Old Testament.

The passage from Luke is about last judgement...

There is no destruction of city or nation by God during this period of GRACE

Hi,

You are correct if you are saying, that no destruction of a city or nation by God has taken place so far in this period of Grace.

BUT In this period of Grace, there will be at least one city that is destroyed by God.

Revelation 18:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

Revelation 18:8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.


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Rev. 16:18-19;

And there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth,
so mighty an earthquake, and so great.

And the great city (Jerusalem) was divided into 3 parts, AND THE CITYS OF THE NATIONS FELL;
and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of wine of the fierceness of His wrath.

That same earthquake that will destroy Babylon will also destroy the cities of the nations.
So it is not just one city.

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This all seem to be coming after the Great Harvest of Rev. 14


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