Dake Bible Discussion Board ⇒ Question about 1 John 3:3 note

[richard]

Greetings, my question concerns note q which pertains to 1 John 3:3. The note references 20 proofs purity is now possible.

Please explain how item 18 in that list is a 'proof'.

Thank you.

EDIT: Item 18 reads thusly: "He that committeth sin is of the devil. (1Jn 3:8-10; Jn 8:44)"

[branham1965]

REVEREND Dake believed in what is called by some as sinless perfectionism.or entire sanctification.

he taught believers were not progressively sanctified but immediately 100%%% at salvation totally entirely sanctified.
if such a one sinned one need to be born again...again all over.



this SP was a teaching of John Wesley that was into the holiness movement and into Pentecost.

[richard]

Thank you for the reply. Yet it seems to make little sense to me. Am I to think then that item 18 is not a direct proof in that it merely implies that purity is possible? It seems that since the condition of sinning is possible it then stands to reason that being purified is also possible, Item 18 therefore is an indirect proof.

[luchnia]

I never noticed anywhere that Dake taught perfection except for going on to perfection or growing into perfection as is commanded be perfect

He did teach sinlessness as long as one is in Christ. Perfection on the other hand is a big difference and has many layers to it. We are commanded to be perfect or in some uses translated mature. Perfection is something one grows into. To inherit eternal life sinlessness is mandatory. Every person that is sinless is not necessarily perfect by any means - some more so than others.

One in sin is not in Christ as the one in sin is serving a different master and not God. If we do not have the Spirit of Christ we are none of His. If we serve sin then sin is our master and we do not have internal life in us.

[macca]

ya

well said

macca

[bibleman]

Dake taugh BOTH INSTANTANEOUS Sanctification and PROGRESSIVE Sanctificaiton.

This above points have to do with instantaneous sanctification. There is also progressive sanctification and complete sanctification.

Proof of Progressive Sanctification:

1. Statements of Jesus (Lk. 9:23; Jn. 8:31; 14:26; 15:3; 16:13-16)

2. Statements of Luke (Acts 13:43; 14:22; 15:41; 16:5; 18:26)

3. Statements of Paul (Rom. 1:11,17; 2:7; 4:12; 6:3-22; 7:4-6; 8:1-13; 11:20-22; 12:1-21; 14:19; 1Cor. 1:7-10; 11:31-34; 15:58; 16:13; 2Cor. 3:18; 5:9; 7:1; 10:4-6; 13:11; Gal. 5:1,13,16-26; Eph. 3:16-21; 4:1-32; 5:1-18; 6:1-18; Php. 1:6,9,25-27; 2:12-15; 3:7-15; 4:8-9; Col. 1:9-29; 2:3-9; 3:1-17; 4:12; 1Th. 2:2-13; 3:1-12; 5:11-23; 2Th. 1:3-5; 2:13-17; 3:3; 1Tim. 1:18; 4:12-16; 5:21-22; 6:12-14; 2Tim. 1:13-14; 2:4,19-26; Tit. 2:7-14; Heb. 3:6,12-14; 4:11; 5:11-14; 6:1-2,11-12; 10:23-39; 12:12; 13:20-21)

4. Statements of James (Jas. 1:3-4,12,22-27; 2:14-26; 3:2; 4:4-10; 5:1-12)

5. Statements of Peter (1Pet. 1:5-16; 2:1-12; 3:8-12; 4:1-19; 5:1-10; 2Pet. 1:4-10; 3:14-18)

6. Statements of John (1Jn. 1:6-9; 2:1-6,24-29; 3:1-10; 5:1-18; 2Jn. 1:1,6,8; 3Jn. 1:4,11)

7. Statements of Jude (Jude 1:3,20-24)

Finis Jennings Dake, Dake's Annotated Reference Bible: Containing the Old and New Testaments of the Authorized or King James Version Text, (Lawrenceville, GA: Dake Bible Sales, Inc., 1997), WORDsearch CROSS e-book, Under: "Chapter 2".

[bibleman]

Greetings, my question concerns note q which pertains to 1 John 3:3. The note references 20 proofs purity is now possible.

Please explain how item 18 in that list is a 'proof'.

Thank you.

EDIT: Item 18 reads thusly: "He that committeth sin is of the devil. (1Jn 3:8-10; Jn 8:44)"

Hey Richard,

Think about it like this...

If "he that committeth sin is of the devil" (and they are) then since those who are of God are NOT of the devil then of course they must be pure.

But also keep in mind the Dake Bible is a book of lists! And sometimes the "headings" of those list are not absolutely "specific as specific can be" to the points of the list give.

[branham1965]

ARE YOU PERFECT NOW LUCHNIA?????

I never noticed anywhere that Dake taught perfection except for going on to perfection or growing into perfection as is commanded be perfect

He did teach sinlessness as long as one is in Christ. Perfection on the other hand is a big difference and has many layers to it. We are commanded to be perfect or in some uses translated mature. Perfection is something one grows into. To inherit eternal life sinlessness is mandatory. Every person that is sinless is not necessarily perfect by any means - some more so than others.

One in sin is not in Christ as the one in sin is serving a different master and not God. If we do not have the Spirit of Christ we are none of His. If we serve sin then sin is our master and we do not have internal life in us.

[branham1965]

HOW ABOUT YOU MACCA.

ARE YOU SINLESS AND PERFECT????????????????

ya

well said

macca

[branham1965]

IF ONE IS INSTANTANEOUSLY SANCTIFIED AND MADE PERFECT THEN WHAT IS THE NEED FOR PROGRESSIVE SANCTIFICATION????

SIGHS.NO ONE BUT JESUS CHRIST WAS PERFECT.

Dake taugh BOTH INSTANTANEOUS Sanctification and PROGRESSIVE Sanctificaiton.

This above points have to do with instantaneous sanctification. There is also progressive sanctification and complete sanctification.

Proof of Progressive Sanctification:

1. Statements of Jesus (Lk. 9:23; Jn. 8:31; 14:26; 15:3; 16:13-16)

2. Statements of Luke (Acts 13:43; 14:22; 15:41; 16:5; 18:26)

3. Statements of Paul (Rom. 1:11,17; 2:7; 4:12; 6:3-22; 7:4-6; 8:1-13; 11:20-22; 12:1-21; 14:19; 1Cor. 1:7-10; 11:31-34; 15:58; 16:13; 2Cor. 3:18; 5:9; 7:1; 10:4-6; 13:11; Gal. 5:1,13,16-26; Eph. 3:16-21; 4:1-32; 5:1-18; 6:1-18; Php. 1:6,9,25-27; 2:12-15; 3:7-15; 4:8-9; Col. 1:9-29; 2:3-9; 3:1-17; 4:12; 1Th. 2:2-13; 3:1-12; 5:11-23; 2Th. 1:3-5; 2:13-17; 3:3; 1Tim. 1:18; 4:12-16; 5:21-22; 6:12-14; 2Tim. 1:13-14; 2:4,19-26; Tit. 2:7-14; Heb. 3:6,12-14; 4:11; 5:11-14; 6:1-2,11-12; 10:23-39; 12:12; 13:20-21)

4. Statements of James (Jas. 1:3-4,12,22-27; 2:14-26; 3:2; 4:4-10; 5:1-12)

5. Statements of Peter (1Pet. 1:5-16; 2:1-12; 3:8-12; 4:1-19; 5:1-10; 2Pet. 1:4-10; 3:14-18)

6. Statements of John (1Jn. 1:6-9; 2:1-6,24-29; 3:1-10; 5:1-18; 2Jn. 1:1,6,8; 3Jn. 1:4,11)

7. Statements of Jude (Jude 1:3,20-24)

Finis Jennings Dake, Dake's Annotated Reference Bible: Containing the Old and New Testaments of the Authorized or King James Version Text, (Lawrenceville, GA: Dake Bible Sales, Inc., 1997), WORDsearch CROSS e-book, Under: "Chapter 2".