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Days of Noah and the hyper-grace movement!

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I was reading over G.H. Pember yesterday and his understanding of Jesus's prophecy concerning how the last days would be like the Days of Noah.

Here is point 1, of what Pember said the last days would be like, in regard to this comparison of the days of Noah.
I A tendency to worship God as Elohim, that is, merely as the Creator and Benefactor, and not as Jehovah the covenant God of mercy, dealing with transgressors who are appointed to destruction, and finding a ransom for them. http://www.raidersnewsupdate.com/pember.pdf
What struck me was the part that states that in the last days God would ONLY be the Creator and Benefactor and NOT understood as "dealing with transgressors who are appointed to destruction."

Hum.... Could the hyper-Grace movement today that teaches you can live like the Devil and still go to Heaven be a fulfillment of this prophecy?

Such as when one preacher tells us that the Holy Ghost will go with us to the strip club and to motel 6 to commit adultery.
00:09:43 And, besides, what you used to do, you did it by yourself; but now that you have company on the inside of you, now that you've been born again and the holy ghost has moved on the inside of you, you have got to understand that everything you do right now, he's gonna do it with you.
00:09:57 So if you decide to go to the strip joint, he's going with you, and if you decide to go to motel 6 and try to do something you ain't got nothing to do, he's going with you.

00:10:05 Somebody says, "oh, I don't believe that; doesn't that " honey, let me tell you, the holy ghost has thick skin. http://livedash.ark.com/transcript/cref ... 13/688596/


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I was sent an email to "participate" in this thread.

This will be my "participation". I will only say that 1) I do not agree with the ridiculous statement: "we can live like the devil and still go to heaven" (and nowhere will you be able to quote me as saying as much), 2) I do not watch Creflo Dollar.

My statements on the conduct of the Christian should stand on its own. But for some reason, I am being misunderstood (and I believe it is being done on purpose.)

THREE very important things are constantly being skipped over:

1. A Christian who loves God will focus on Jesus, thus hating sin and gaining victory over sun.

2. We cannot save ourselves, therefore we cannot keep ourselves saved.

3. We do works BECAUSE we are saved, not TO BE saved.

Let this clear things up. If not, then I don't know what else to say.


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I concur with cpbeller. Once you are saved, and The Holy Spirit takes-up residence, you're never alone... Likewise, if you're saved, you are changed, having become a new creature in Christ Jesus, the old having passed away... If you're saved, you don't want to sin. At the very real risk of being flamed, I believe that sometimes, one may slip. That's why with a contrite heart, for God looks upon the hearts and minds of Man and KNOWS the truth, we realize and acknowledge that sin, we confess it, repent of it so as not to do it again, and ask God for His Forgiveness- THEN we are restored to Him, in Spirit and Truth...

If you claim to be saved, yet continually, willfully, sin, you're not saved. Nope, no way, no how, nyet, nada, nein... Being in Christ means wanting, more than life, to become as He Is... Behavior patterns sometimes take a while... God knows this, as He Knows Everything- past, present, and future...

With God's help, all things are possible- even our becoming more like His Precious Son, Jesus...

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cpbeller wrote:I was sent an email to "participate" in this thread.

This will be my "participation". I will only say that 1) I do not agree with the ridiculous statement: "we can live like the devil and still go to heaven" (and nowhere will you be able to quote me as saying as much), 2) I do not watch Creflo Dollar.

My statements on the conduct of the Christian should stand on its own. But for some reason, I am being misunderstood (and I believe it is being done on purpose.)

THREE very important things are constantly being skipped over:

1. A Christian who loves God will focus on Jesus, thus hating sin and gaining victory over sun.

2. We cannot save ourselves, therefore we cannot keep ourselves saved.

3. We do works BECAUSE we are saved, not TO BE saved.

Let this clear things up. If not, then I don't know what else to say.
Hi Chris,

I agree with most all you have said with one exception of clarification that is needed.

Let's say person was saved and filled with the Spirit in the year 1990 and has lived faithfully for God all these years.
Then in July of 2014 this same person leaves his wife and moves in with another woman and lives with her committing adultery ever since, forsaking his family and his church and his God.

Now I would believe that the person "buy their own works of sin" lost their salvation and would now be on their way to Hell.

You would believe that as well wouldn't you?

I guess the real question would be: Can a person do anything, once they have been saved, to cause themselves to loose their salvation.


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The Bible does say that the Holy Spirit can be grieved and quenched. I believe that God is merciful and does look to convict people who are in adultery but His primary purpose is to bring them to repentance. If a person persists in sin against the constant conviction of the Holy Spirit and never repents, they will sooner or later be "given up" (Rom. 1:24-28). Their conscienses will become seared with a hot iron and they will no longer want to give up their sin. They will end up pushing the Holy Spirit away and they will die in their sins. They will go to hell.

God wants no one there but if a person, even one who claims to have been born again, lives in sin then he or she will die in it. Many so-called "born again" Chritians, including preachers, are suffering in eternal torment. God does not want this for anyone but if we choose to do it by our lifestyle He will allow us our choice.



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I said all of that to say that I strongly and vehemntly disagree with the hyper-grace dude quoted in Pastor Bible's opening post.



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I believe that we are there right now.Close to midnight.
This hyper Grace movement has God as a big fat benevolent Santa Claus.

It brought osas back into the Churches.and teaches a false grace straight from the devil himself.
In older days Preachers preached against sin and talked about God's Judgements.
If a Preacher does not talk about Judgement he or she is :neutral:

Reverend Dake NEVER compromised on the truth.He exposed these folks over 60 years ago.
One need only read his teaching on ultra grace .People would rather believe a lie as taught by some .And the Bible says God will send delusion to believe a lie and be damned.If we don't love God's truth.



bibleman wrote:I was reading over G.H. Pember yesterday and his understanding of Jesus's prophecy concerning how the last days would be like the Days of Noah.

Here is point 1, of what Pember said the last days would be like, in regard to this comparison of the days of Noah.
I A tendency to worship God as Elohim, that is, merely as the Creator and Benefactor, and not as Jehovah the covenant God of mercy, dealing with transgressors who are appointed to destruction, and finding a ransom for them. http://www.raidersnewsupdate.com/pember.pdf
What struck me was the part that states that in the last days God would ONLY be the Creator and Benefactor and NOT understood as "dealing with transgressors who are appointed to destruction."

Hum.... Could the hyper-Grace movement today that teaches you can live like the Devil and still go to Heaven be a fulfillment of this prophecy?

Such as when one preacher tells us that the Holy Ghost will go with us to the strip club and to motel 6 to commit adultery.
00:09:43 And, besides, what you used to do, you did it by yourself; but now that you have company on the inside of you, now that you've been born again and the holy ghost has moved on the inside of you, you have got to understand that everything you do right now, he's gonna do it with you.
00:09:57 So if you decide to go to the strip joint, he's going with you, and if you decide to go to motel 6 and try to do something you ain't got nothing to do, he's going with you.

00:10:05 Somebody says, "oh, I don't believe that; doesn't that " honey, let me tell you, the holy ghost has thick skin. http://livedash.ark.com/transcript/cref ... 13/688596/



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victoryword wrote:The Bible does say that the Holy Spirit can be grieved and quenched. I believe that God is merciful and does look to convict people who are in adultery but His primary purpose is to bring them to repentance. If a person persists in sin against the constant conviction of the Holy Spirit and never repents, they will sooner or later be "given up" (Rom. 1:24-28). Their conscienses will become seared with a hot iron and they will no longer want to give up their sin. They will end up pushing the Holy Spirit away and they will die in their sins. They will go to hell.

God wants no one there but if a person, even one who claims to have been born again, lives in sin then he or she will die in it. Many so-called "born again" Chritians, including preachers, are suffering in eternal torment. God does not want this for anyone but if we choose to do it by our lifestyle He will allow us our choice.



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I think this passage about says all that is needed to be said on the subject!

Titus 1:15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.
16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.


Titus 1:16 (AMP) 16 They profess to know God [to recognize, perceive, and be acquainted with Him], but deny and disown and renounce Him by what they do; they are detestable and loathsome, unbelieving and disobedient and disloyal and rebellious, and [they are] unfit and worthless for good work (deed or enterprise) of any kind.

Translation? If you are going to the strip clubs and to motel 6 to commit adultery - then of course you are NOT saved, and if you ever were saved... you by your actions have lost it.

AND based on this Scripture I would say that we CAN keep ourselves saved - by NOT committing death penalty sins!


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I think one thing that might be missing here is the influence of demons on people.

I have read some on this.

The enemy can get a hold of Christians.And they can do awful things.

I am not excusing them.

But the devil is real.He can destroy a person in every way.I mean just waylay the person flat.

"Satan and His Kingdom of Darkness" by Gordon Lindsay and other books on this.

available here dakebible.com.



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