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macca wrote:Can someone put up page 70 out of God's Plan for Man please, before Billy pops a vein. :mrgreen:

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IV. The Evidences of the New Birth

1. You will be changed down in the depths of your being and be made a new creature: “Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ” (2 Cor. 5:17-18). If you have never been changed like this, then it is certain that you have never been born again.

2. You will have the witness of the Spirit in your life that you are a child of God: “For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba Father. The Spirit himself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God” (Rom. 8:14-16).

3. You will have freedom from condemnation and from the law of sin and death and you will live and walk in the Spirit: “There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death . . . That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit, the things of the Spirit . . . And if Christ be in you the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness” (Rom. 8:1-13; Gal. 5:16-26).

4. You will be cleansed from all sin and delivered from the power and dominion of sin as well as from the love of sin. “He shall save his people from their sins” (Mt. 1:21); “The blood of Jesus Christ cleanseth us from all sin . . . If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness” (1 Jn. 1:7-9).

5. You will be free from sin. “Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free . . . If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed” (Jn. 8:31-36); “Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? . . . our old man was crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin . . . reckon yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin . . . sin shall not have dominion over you . . . Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness? . . . ye were the servants of sin . . . being made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness . . . even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness. For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness . . . but now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life” (Rom. 6:1-23); “The law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death” (Rom. 8:1-4); “everyone that doeth righteousness is born of him . . . he that doeth righteousness is righteous even as he is righteous. He that committeth sin is of the devil . . . whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin . . . whosoever is born of God overcometh the world . . . whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not” (1 Jn. 2:29; 3:7-10; 5:1-4, 18).

Many other Scriptures say that when one is born again and in Christ he “receives power to become a son of God” (Jn. 1:12); he has “crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts” (Gal. 5:24); “his sins are blotted out” (Acts 3:19); “he is washed, sanctified, and justified” (1 Cor. 6:9-11; Rev. 1:5); “he has turned from darkness to light and from the power of Satan to the power of God” (Acts 26:18); “he has salvation” (Rom. 1:16; 2 Thess. 2:13); “he is created in righteousness and true holiness” (Eph. 4:22-24); “he is God's elect” (Eph. 1:7; 1 Pet. 1:2-4; Col. 3:12); and “he departs from all iniquity” (2 Tim. 2:4, 19-22).

I am fully aware that literally thousands of religious teachers are constantly saying that no man can live free from sin, and that we sin every day. One can see that this teaching is entirely out of harmony with the Bible by reading the above Scriptures. If these men sin every day, then they are sinners every day and there is no time that they are not sinners. If they are sinners all the time, then there is no time when they are not under the death penalty of the broken law, and they will be sent to Hell as sinners to pay the death penalty. Christ means nothing to them if they are sinners and if they cannot be saved from sin.

It is time that you wake up and stop listening to such men and begin to read the Bible and obey it. Naturally, a man that does not believe in salvation from sin can never be saved from it. If Christ came to save us from our sins and He cannot do it, then He has failed in His mission. If the New Testament teaches freedom from sin, then it is either the truth or a lie. If it is a lie, then we might as well throw the whole Bible away and have nothing to do with religion. Christianity, in that case, is a mere sham and a false religion, teaching something that is not true. If salvation through Christ is true, however, then these modern teachers of religion are false and no man can safely believe them, or even listen to them deny the truths of the Bible.

Do not let men deceive you into thinking that there is no such thing as living a clean, holy, victorious life in Christ secure from sin, the flesh, the world, and the devil. If you are not saved from these things you are not saved from Hell, according to the Scriptures under Point II, above. There may not be such a life as far as these teachers are concerned and as far as they know. Either they do not know the Bible and they do not have biblical experiences, or they are plain rebels against truth and refuse to get such blessings. In either case, you should not listen to them concerning such an important thing as your eternal welfare. Why not listen to the Scripture instead? It will not deceive you. It will always tell you the truth, as you can see from the facts stated above.

If you want biblical experiences, if you want faith in God, answers to prayer, prosperity, healing and health, and happiness in God, you will have to conform to God and His Word as you receive it. It is not a question of deciding between what we say and what others say. It is a question of what you can plainly read in your own Bible. That and that alone you will have to give an account for, so do not permit any man to lead you astray. Let men brand you as old fashioned if they want to. If you will follow the Bible, it will pay you great dividends and benefits untold in this life and in the life to come. You are the one who desires such benefits, and you are the one that must see to it that you cooperate with God and His Word to get such blessings. Man is not going to give you such blessings, but man can hinder you from getting them from God if you permit him to cause you to fail God and His Word.
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I am guessing SP is sinless perfection? I hope that is what that refers too and a couple comments are good along these lines. I have asked a few folks to tell me what being free from sin has to do with being perfect? Aren't they VERY different things and why do folks equate them equally? Just because we are free from sin and alive to Christ does not mean that we are all perfect.

Perfection has a number of different thoughts when viewing it from the scriptures. In many cases the Greek deals mostly with maturity. If you are in Christ and free from sin, you may not be perfect at all. You could be at the bottom wrung of perfection or at a mid wrung, etc. I really think that perfection or maturity can take years if not a lifetime.

Understanding the difference between being perfect and being sinless helps me understand in a much simpler light. I desire to attain perfection and realize I have come a ways, yet after over thirty years of being a child of God I still think that perfection is quite a distance from me.


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The question one must ask is do you define perfection as being without any flaws or being mature?



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I CAN READ HERE SIR.WHY NOT ADDRESS ME AS WELL????

HIS COMMENTS ARE ALL OVER THE TEXT.IT AFFECTS THE TEXTS.

AND HERE IS JUST ANOTHER SLAP IN THE FACE.IM TELLING YOU BOTH AND ID TELL YOU OR ANYONE ELSE TO YOUR FACES THAT STUFF CAUSES NERVOUS BREAKDOWNS.IT HAPPENED TO THE AUTHOR HIMSELF.AND I NEED NOT GO INTO MY PERSONAL LIFE.
IF HE IS TALKING ABOUT DAD HAGIN HE IS WRONG.

DAD HAGIN EITHER HAD THE GIFTS OF GOD OR HE WAS A LIAR.AND I KNOW THAT I KNOW HE WAS NOT A LIAR.


MY PASTOR EITHER WAS A MAN SENT FROM GOD ANOINTED BY THE HOLY GHOST OR HE WAS A LIAR.AND I CAN AFFIRM BEYOND ANY DOUBT HE WAS NOT A FALSE TEACHER.HE PRAYED ME THROUGH TO THE HOLY GHOST AND MUCH MORE IN MY LIFE.

WE WERE TOLD PUT THE DAKE BIBLE DOWN USE IT FOR REFERENCE .YOU READ YOUR OWN BIBLES AND GET YOUR OWN PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP WITH JESUS CHRIST.DO NOT LIVE OFF ANOTHER MAN'S NOTES OR HIS TESTIMONY.GET ONE OF YOUR OWN.




bibleman wrote:
macca wrote:Can someone put up page 70 out of God's Plan for Man please, before Billy pops a vein. :mrgreen:

macca
Here it is macca!
IV. The Evidences of the New Birth

1. You will be changed down in the depths of your being and be made a new creature: “Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ” (2 Cor. 5:17-18). If you have never been changed like this, then it is certain that you have never been born again.

2. You will have the witness of the Spirit in your life that you are a child of God: “For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba Father. The Spirit himself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God” (Rom. 8:14-16).

3. You will have freedom from condemnation and from the law of sin and death and you will live and walk in the Spirit: “There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death . . . That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit, the things of the Spirit . . . And if Christ be in you the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness” (Rom. 8:1-13; Gal. 5:16-26).

4. You will be cleansed from all sin and delivered from the power and dominion of sin as well as from the love of sin. “He shall save his people from their sins” (Mt. 1:21); “The blood of Jesus Christ cleanseth us from all sin . . . If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness” (1 Jn. 1:7-9).

5. You will be free from sin. “Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free . . . If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed” (Jn. 8:31-36); “Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? . . . our old man was crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin . . . reckon yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin . . . sin shall not have dominion over you . . . Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness? . . . ye were the servants of sin . . . being made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness . . . even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness. For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness . . . but now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life” (Rom. 6:1-23); “The law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death” (Rom. 8:1-4); “everyone that doeth righteousness is born of him . . . he that doeth righteousness is righteous even as he is righteous. He that committeth sin is of the devil . . . whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin . . . whosoever is born of God overcometh the world . . . whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not” (1 Jn. 2:29; 3:7-10; 5:1-4, 18).

Many other Scriptures say that when one is born again and in Christ he “receives power to become a son of God” (Jn. 1:12); he has “crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts” (Gal. 5:24); “his sins are blotted out” (Acts 3:19); “he is washed, sanctified, and justified” (1 Cor. 6:9-11; Rev. 1:5); “he has turned from darkness to light and from the power of Satan to the power of God” (Acts 26:18); “he has salvation” (Rom. 1:16; 2 Thess. 2:13); “he is created in righteousness and true holiness” (Eph. 4:22-24); “he is God's elect” (Eph. 1:7; 1 Pet. 1:2-4; Col. 3:12); and “he departs from all iniquity” (2 Tim. 2:4, 19-22).

I am fully aware that literally thousands of religious teachers are constantly saying that no man can live free from sin, and that we sin every day. One can see that this teaching is entirely out of harmony with the Bible by reading the above Scriptures. If these men sin every day, then they are sinners every day and there is no time that they are not sinners. If they are sinners all the time, then there is no time when they are not under the death penalty of the broken law, and they will be sent to Hell as sinners to pay the death penalty. Christ means nothing to them if they are sinners and if they cannot be saved from sin.

It is time that you wake up and stop listening to such men and begin to read the Bible and obey it. Naturally, a man that does not believe in salvation from sin can never be saved from it. If Christ came to save us from our sins and He cannot do it, then He has failed in His mission. If the New Testament teaches freedom from sin, then it is either the truth or a lie. If it is a lie, then we might as well throw the whole Bible away and have nothing to do with religion. Christianity, in that case, is a mere sham and a false religion, teaching something that is not true. If salvation through Christ is true, however, then these modern teachers of religion are false and no man can safely believe them, or even listen to them deny the truths of the Bible.

Do not let men deceive you into thinking that there is no such thing as living a clean, holy, victorious life in Christ secure from sin, the flesh, the world, and the devil. If you are not saved from these things you are not saved from Hell, according to the Scriptures under Point II, above. There may not be such a life as far as these teachers are concerned and as far as they know. Either they do not know the Bible and they do not have biblical experiences, or they are plain rebels against truth and refuse to get such blessings. In either case, you should not listen to them concerning such an important thing as your eternal welfare. Why not listen to the Scripture instead? It will not deceive you. It will always tell you the truth, as you can see from the facts stated above.

If you want biblical experiences, if you want faith in God, answers to prayer, prosperity, healing and health, and happiness in God, you will have to conform to God and His Word as you receive it. It is not a question of deciding between what we say and what others say. It is a question of what you can plainly read in your own Bible. That and that alone you will have to give an account for, so do not permit any man to lead you astray. Let men brand you as old fashioned if they want to. If you will follow the Bible, it will pay you great dividends and benefits untold in this life and in the life to come. You are the one who desires such benefits, and you are the one that must see to it that you cooperate with God and His Word to get such blessings. Man is not going to give you such blessings, but man can hinder you from getting them from God if you permit him to cause you to fail God and His Word.
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branham1965 wrote:I CAN READ HERE SIR.WHY NOT ADDRESS ME AS WELL????

HIS COMMENTS ARE ALL OVER THE TEXT.IT AFFECTS THE TEXTS.

AND HERE IS JUST ANOTHER SLAP IN THE FACE.IM TELLING YOU BOTH AND ID TELL YOU OR ANYONE ELSE TO YOUR FACES THAT STUFF CAUSES NERVOUS BREAKDOWNS.IT HAPPENED TO THE AUTHOR HIMSELF.AND I NEED NOT GO INTO MY PERSONAL LIFE.
IF HE IS TALKING ABOUT DAD HAGIN HE IS WRONG.

DAD HAGIN EITHER HAD THE GIFTS OF GOD OR HE WAS A LIAR.AND I KNOW THAT I KNOW HE WAS NOT A LIAR.


MY PASTOR EITHER WAS A MAN SENT FROM GOD ANOINTED BY THE HOLY GHOST OR HE WAS A LIAR.AND I CAN AFFIRM BEYOND ANY DOUBT HE WAS NOT A FALSE TEACHER.HE PRAYED ME THROUGH TO THE HOLY GHOST AND MUCH MORE IN MY LIFE.

WE WERE TOLD PUT THE DAKE BIBLE DOWN USE IT FOR REFERENCE .YOU READ YOUR OWN BIBLES AND GET YOUR OWN PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP WITH JESUS CHRIST.DO NOT LIVE OFF ANOTHER MAN'S NOTES OR HIS TESTIMONY.GET ONE OF YOUR OWN.




bibleman wrote:
macca wrote:Can someone put up page 70 out of God's Plan for Man please, before Billy pops a vein. :mrgreen:

macca
Here it is macca!
IV. The Evidences of the New Birth

1. You will be changed down in the depths of your being and be made a new creature: “Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ” (2 Cor. 5:17-18). If you have never been changed like this, then it is certain that you have never been born again.

2. You will have the witness of the Spirit in your life that you are a child of God: “For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba Father. The Spirit himself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God” (Rom. 8:14-16).

3. You will have freedom from condemnation and from the law of sin and death and you will live and walk in the Spirit: “There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death . . . That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit, the things of the Spirit . . . And if Christ be in you the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness” (Rom. 8:1-13; Gal. 5:16-26).

4. You will be cleansed from all sin and delivered from the power and dominion of sin as well as from the love of sin. “He shall save his people from their sins” (Mt. 1:21); “The blood of Jesus Christ cleanseth us from all sin . . . If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness” (1 Jn. 1:7-9).

5. You will be free from sin. “Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free . . . If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed” (Jn. 8:31-36); “Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? . . . our old man was crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin . . . reckon yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin . . . sin shall not have dominion over you . . . Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness? . . . ye were the servants of sin . . . being made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness . . . even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness. For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness . . . but now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life” (Rom. 6:1-23); “The law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death” (Rom. 8:1-4); “everyone that doeth righteousness is born of him . . . he that doeth righteousness is righteous even as he is righteous. He that committeth sin is of the devil . . . whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin . . . whosoever is born of God overcometh the world . . . whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not” (1 Jn. 2:29; 3:7-10; 5:1-4, 18).

Many other Scriptures say that when one is born again and in Christ he “receives power to become a son of God” (Jn. 1:12); he has “crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts” (Gal. 5:24); “his sins are blotted out” (Acts 3:19); “he is washed, sanctified, and justified” (1 Cor. 6:9-11; Rev. 1:5); “he has turned from darkness to light and from the power of Satan to the power of God” (Acts 26:18); “he has salvation” (Rom. 1:16; 2 Thess. 2:13); “he is created in righteousness and true holiness” (Eph. 4:22-24); “he is God's elect” (Eph. 1:7; 1 Pet. 1:2-4; Col. 3:12); and “he departs from all iniquity” (2 Tim. 2:4, 19-22).

I am fully aware that literally thousands of religious teachers are constantly saying that no man can live free from sin, and that we sin every day. One can see that this teaching is entirely out of harmony with the Bible by reading the above Scriptures. If these men sin every day, then they are sinners every day and there is no time that they are not sinners. If they are sinners all the time, then there is no time when they are not under the death penalty of the broken law, and they will be sent to Hell as sinners to pay the death penalty. Christ means nothing to them if they are sinners and if they cannot be saved from sin.

It is time that you wake up and stop listening to such men and begin to read the Bible and obey it. Naturally, a man that does not believe in salvation from sin can never be saved from it. If Christ came to save us from our sins and He cannot do it, then He has failed in His mission. If the New Testament teaches freedom from sin, then it is either the truth or a lie. If it is a lie, then we might as well throw the whole Bible away and have nothing to do with religion. Christianity, in that case, is a mere sham and a false religion, teaching something that is not true. If salvation through Christ is true, however, then these modern teachers of religion are false and no man can safely believe them, or even listen to them deny the truths of the Bible.

Do not let men deceive you into thinking that there is no such thing as living a clean, holy, victorious life in Christ secure from sin, the flesh, the world, and the devil. If you are not saved from these things you are not saved from Hell, according to the Scriptures under Point II, above. There may not be such a life as far as these teachers are concerned and as far as they know. Either they do not know the Bible and they do not have biblical experiences, or they are plain rebels against truth and refuse to get such blessings. In either case, you should not listen to them concerning such an important thing as your eternal welfare. Why not listen to the Scripture instead? It will not deceive you. It will always tell you the truth, as you can see from the facts stated above.

If you want biblical experiences, if you want faith in God, answers to prayer, prosperity, healing and health, and happiness in God, you will have to conform to God and His Word as you receive it. It is not a question of deciding between what we say and what others say. It is a question of what you can plainly read in your own Bible. That and that alone you will have to give an account for, so do not permit any man to lead you astray. Let men brand you as old fashioned if they want to. If you will follow the Bible, it will pay you great dividends and benefits untold in this life and in the life to come. You are the one who desires such benefits, and you are the one that must see to it that you cooperate with God and His Word to get such blessings. Man is not going to give you such blessings, but man can hinder you from getting them from God if you permit him to cause you to fail God and His Word.
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Hey Billy,

What did Dake say that was wrong here?

What line of the above do you disagree with?


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im aware of that.i knew it in 1981.

these people say they never sin.that they are perfect every second of the day all the time.

i say they are wrong.i know them too well from on here.ive seen a few in action.and i know they sin.

when a person kicks someone who is down they are sinning.oh i could go on.
luchnia wrote:I am guessing SP is sinless perfection? I hope that is what that refers too and a couple comments are good along these lines. I have asked a few folks to tell me what being free from sin has to do with being perfect? Aren't they VERY different things and why do folks equate them equally? Just because we are free from sin and alive to Christ does not mean that we are all perfect.

Perfection has a number of different thoughts when viewing it from the scriptures. In many cases the Greek deals mostly with maturity. If you are in Christ and free from sin, you may not be perfect at all. You could be at the bottom wrung of perfection or at a mid wrung, etc. I really think that perfection or maturity can take years if not a lifetime.

Understanding the difference between being perfect and being sinless helps me understand in a much simpler light. I desire to attain perfection and realize I have come a ways, yet after over thirty years of being a child of God I still think that perfection is quite a distance from me.



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are you asking me this????

people here teach sinless perfection.that men do not sin ever.it came from Wesley and then others.perfect entire sanctification.its absolute rubbish.and its cause many to lose faith alltogether.

every single time they do teach this it comes out.

some ones been missing it.a man ive honored all my life was caught doing some things recently that i tried to defend.but they are indefensible.

my Pastor friend from RHEMA says its wrong.it ruins lives.


victoryword wrote:The question one must ask is do you define perfection as being without any flaws or being mature?



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branham1965 wrote:are you asking me this????

people here teach sinless perfection.that men do not sin ever.it came from Wesley and then others.perfect entire sanctification.its absolute rubbish.and its cause many to lose faith alltogether.

every single time they do teach this it comes out.

some ones been missing it.a man ive honored all my life was caught doing some things recently that i tried to defend.but they are indefensible.

my Pastor friend from RHEMA says its wrong.it ruins lives.


victoryword wrote:The question one must ask is do you define perfection as being without any flaws or being mature?
It was a general question for the board, but thanks for your response Billy. You reminded me of some historical facts that I had forgotten about Wesley and all.



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bibleman wrote:
branham1965 wrote:I CAN READ HERE SIR.WHY NOT ADDRESS ME AS WELL????

HIS COMMENTS ARE ALL OVER THE TEXT.IT AFFECTS THE TEXTS.

AND HERE IS JUST ANOTHER SLAP IN THE FACE.IM TELLING YOU BOTH AND ID TELL YOU OR ANYONE ELSE TO YOUR FACES THAT STUFF CAUSES NERVOUS BREAKDOWNS.IT HAPPENED TO THE AUTHOR HIMSELF.AND I NEED NOT GO INTO MY PERSONAL LIFE.
IF HE IS TALKING ABOUT DAD HAGIN HE IS WRONG.

DAD HAGIN EITHER HAD THE GIFTS OF GOD OR HE WAS A LIAR.AND I KNOW THAT I KNOW HE WAS NOT A LIAR.


MY PASTOR EITHER WAS A MAN SENT FROM GOD ANOINTED BY THE HOLY GHOST OR HE WAS A LIAR.AND I CAN AFFIRM BEYOND ANY DOUBT HE WAS NOT A FALSE TEACHER.HE PRAYED ME THROUGH TO THE HOLY GHOST AND MUCH MORE IN MY LIFE.

WE WERE TOLD PUT THE DAKE BIBLE DOWN USE IT FOR REFERENCE .YOU READ YOUR OWN BIBLES AND GET YOUR OWN PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP WITH JESUS CHRIST.DO NOT LIVE OFF ANOTHER MAN'S NOTES OR HIS TESTIMONY.GET ONE OF YOUR OWN.




bibleman wrote:
macca wrote:Can someone put up page 70 out of God's Plan for Man please, before Billy pops a vein. :mrgreen:

macca
Here it is macca!
IV. The Evidences of the New Birth

1. You will be changed down in the depths of your being and be made a new creature: “Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ” (2 Cor. 5:17-18). If you have never been changed like this, then it is certain that you have never been born again.

2. You will have the witness of the Spirit in your life that you are a child of God: “For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba Father. The Spirit himself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God” (Rom. 8:14-16).

3. You will have freedom from condemnation and from the law of sin and death and you will live and walk in the Spirit: “There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death . . . That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit, the things of the Spirit . . . And if Christ be in you the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness” (Rom. 8:1-13; Gal. 5:16-26).

4. You will be cleansed from all sin and delivered from the power and dominion of sin as well as from the love of sin. “He shall save his people from their sins” (Mt. 1:21); “The blood of Jesus Christ cleanseth us from all sin . . . If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness” (1 Jn. 1:7-9).

5. You will be free from sin. “Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free . . . If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed” (Jn. 8:31-36); “Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? . . . our old man was crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin . . . reckon yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin . . . sin shall not have dominion over you . . . Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness? . . . ye were the servants of sin . . . being made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness . . . even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness. For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness . . . but now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life” (Rom. 6:1-23); “The law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death” (Rom. 8:1-4); “everyone that doeth righteousness is born of him . . . he that doeth righteousness is righteous even as he is righteous. He that committeth sin is of the devil . . . whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin . . . whosoever is born of God overcometh the world . . . whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not” (1 Jn. 2:29; 3:7-10; 5:1-4, 18).

Many other Scriptures say that when one is born again and in Christ he “receives power to become a son of God” (Jn. 1:12); he has “crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts” (Gal. 5:24); “his sins are blotted out” (Acts 3:19); “he is washed, sanctified, and justified” (1 Cor. 6:9-11; Rev. 1:5); “he has turned from darkness to light and from the power of Satan to the power of God” (Acts 26:18); “he has salvation” (Rom. 1:16; 2 Thess. 2:13); “he is created in righteousness and true holiness” (Eph. 4:22-24); “he is God's elect” (Eph. 1:7; 1 Pet. 1:2-4; Col. 3:12); and “he departs from all iniquity” (2 Tim. 2:4, 19-22).

I am fully aware that literally thousands of religious teachers are constantly saying that no man can live free from sin, and that we sin every day. One can see that this teaching is entirely out of harmony with the Bible by reading the above Scriptures. If these men sin every day, then they are sinners every day and there is no time that they are not sinners. If they are sinners all the time, then there is no time when they are not under the death penalty of the broken law, and they will be sent to Hell as sinners to pay the death penalty. Christ means nothing to them if they are sinners and if they cannot be saved from sin.

It is time that you wake up and stop listening to such men and begin to read the Bible and obey it. Naturally, a man that does not believe in salvation from sin can never be saved from it. If Christ came to save us from our sins and He cannot do it, then He has failed in His mission. If the New Testament teaches freedom from sin, then it is either the truth or a lie. If it is a lie, then we might as well throw the whole Bible away and have nothing to do with religion. Christianity, in that case, is a mere sham and a false religion, teaching something that is not true. If salvation through Christ is true, however, then these modern teachers of religion are false and no man can safely believe them, or even listen to them deny the truths of the Bible.

Do not let men deceive you into thinking that there is no such thing as living a clean, holy, victorious life in Christ secure from sin, the flesh, the world, and the devil. If you are not saved from these things you are not saved from Hell, according to the Scriptures under Point II, above. There may not be such a life as far as these teachers are concerned and as far as they know. Either they do not know the Bible and they do not have biblical experiences, or they are plain rebels against truth and refuse to get such blessings. In either case, you should not listen to them concerning such an important thing as your eternal welfare. Why not listen to the Scripture instead? It will not deceive you. It will always tell you the truth, as you can see from the facts stated above.

If you want biblical experiences, if you want faith in God, answers to prayer, prosperity, healing and health, and happiness in God, you will have to conform to God and His Word as you receive it. It is not a question of deciding between what we say and what others say. It is a question of what you can plainly read in your own Bible. That and that alone you will have to give an account for, so do not permit any man to lead you astray. Let men brand you as old fashioned if they want to. If you will follow the Bible, it will pay you great dividends and benefits untold in this life and in the life to come. You are the one who desires such benefits, and you are the one that must see to it that you cooperate with God and His Word to get such blessings. Man is not going to give you such blessings, but man can hinder you from getting them from God if you permit him to cause you to fail God and His Word.
God's Plan for Man.

Hey Billy,

What did Dake say that was wrong here?

What line of the above do you disagree with?
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Re: Days of Noah and the hyper-grace movement!

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sighs.

victoryword wrote:
branham1965 wrote:are you asking me this????

people here teach sinless perfection.that men do not sin ever.it came from Wesley and then others.perfect entire sanctification.its absolute rubbish.and its cause many to lose faith alltogether.

every single time they do teach this it comes out.

some ones been missing it.a man ive honored all my life was caught doing some things recently that i tried to defend.but they are indefensible.

my Pastor friend from RHEMA says its wrong.it ruins lives.


victoryword wrote:The question one must ask is do you define perfection as being without any flaws or being mature?
It was a general question for the board, but thanks for your response Billy. You reminded me of some historical facts that I had forgotten about Wesley and all.
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