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Salvation Is Only Through The Roman Catholic Church?

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Salvation Is Only Through The Roman Catholic Church

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According to an article by Now The End Begins, Pope Francis enforced this view that the only way to God cannot be done without the Virgin Mary and the Church of Rome. Without both, you are simply condemned to burn for all eternity in hell. The statement that Pope Francis uses that the article brings up is as follows:

“Dear friends, let us ask the Lord, through the intercession of the Virgin Mary, Mother of the Church, for the grace to never fall into the temptation of thinking we can make it without others, that we can get along without the Church, that we can save ourselves alone, of being Christians of the laboratory. On the contrary, you cannot love God without loving your brothers, you cannot love God outside of the Church; you cannot be in communion with God without being so in the Church.”

Simply going by that statement, there are three things that should be noted for what they state salvation should require. First, there needs to be an intercession of the Virgin Mary. Second, you cannot love God outside of the Church. And third, you cannot be in communion with God without being so in the Church. Going with the Holy Bible, there is no scripture that supports this. As a matter of fact, the article even goes further and states that Pope Francis is the False Prophet, mentioned in the book of Revelations.

However, such exclamations are not new with the Roman Catholic Church. For years, which also includes the years they slaughters millions of Christians simply because they weren’t Catholic, they have expressed their agenda, as stated by Christian Beliefs (End Times Deceptions). According to their article, the most explicit statement about this came from Ope Eugene IV, in the Bull Cantate Domino in 1441, when he proclaimed ex cathedra:

“The Most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, also Jews, heretics, and schismatics can ever be partakers of eternal life, but that they are to go into the eternal fire ‘which was prepared for the devil and his angels’ unless before death they are joined with Her…

No one, let his alms giving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Jesus Christ can be saved unless they abide within the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church.”
http://www.inquisitr.com/1321037/pope-f ... ic-church/


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The greatest deception ever placed on humanity by the one who despises not only mankind but his own creator God!
I was taught this as a child in the Catholic school I attended, including the lie, Mary is co-redemptrix with Jesus? Nothing's changed. Satan said, Go ahead, disobey God, "you shall not die," in direct opposition to what God said when He said, For in the day you eat of it, and "You shall die." Satan's ministers are not going to go against him now are they?
"Vatican: Number of Catholics is up, still behind Muslims - USA Today

22 Feb 2011 ... The number of Catholics worldwide has edged up 1% to 1.18 billion, the Vatican
says, ... of the world's largest church, about one in five of the global population. ... A recent Pew Forum study finds Catholics are still outnumbered by 1.57 billion Muslims, nearly one in four of the world's population.
According to the Vatican's statistics, Muslims surpassed Catholics in 2006. The 2008 yearbook editor Monsignor Vittorio Formenti told the Vatican newspaper L'Osservatore Romano, "While it is known that Muslim families continue to have many children, Christian families are having fewer."
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And the Muslims, denying Christ have even a lesser chance of eternal happiness.

2 Cor. 11:14, "And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light."

Satan's temporary rule here is ever growing until our Lord returns and his ministry is feverously working to increase his fold not drive his followers away. I'm sure the number's have increased since 2011.

Mark 3:25, And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand.


Galatians 4: 16, Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?

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Sounds funny when non saved person instructs the whole world how to be saved. If stupidity and ignorance could be turned into the gold and purple, I suppose vatican would be the wealthiest city on the face of the earth. But this comrade will never understand that catholic church is not the Church and never will be.

Rather to stay in poorer middle class and not be ignorant, than to be rich and stupid and blind catholic.


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I hope the prominent Evangelical/Pentecostal/Charismatic/Word-of-Faith ministers who recently visited the Vatican and are promoting unity with a Pope/"church" which supposedly believes the same way they do regarding salvation through the New Birth in Christ read this article. There are other eye-opening articles online about the Pope promoting unity with Islam via their mutual veneration of Mary (Muhammad apparently said his daughter Fatima was in the 2nd highest position for a woman in heaven, directly after Mary) and a recent statement saying that attempting to persuade anyone to convert to one's religion was one of the worst things one could do in life. Jesus in the Great Commission thought otherwise. One would think that if one truly believed only Catholics are saved one would do all one could to persuade others to miss Hell and embrace Catholicism. Heading up a crusade in South America on the subject of Purgatory and offering indulges online for those who can't make it to the crusade clearly indicates that Martin Luther's protest is NOT over, despite well-meant (but deceitful) proclamations to the contrary.
I Timothy 4:1 is being fulfilled more than ever before. Light and darkness have nothing in common. Former Protestants such as Ulf Eckman are at risk of losing their own salvation and assisting others to lose theirs (or never gain salvation in the first place). "If they speak not according to this Word, there is NO LIGHT IN THEM". Praying for someone in darkness and bondage to doctrines of demons is something all born again people are called to do. Linking arms with them and giving the impression that we are all in the one spiritual family is akin to Solomon erecting idols in the temple and still believing he is worshiping Jehovah..



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Michael Evans wrote:I hope the prominent Evangelical/Pentecostal/Charismatic/Word-of-Faith ministers who recently visited the Vatican and are promoting unity with a Pope/"church" which supposedly believes the same way they do regarding salvation through the New Birth in Christ read this article. There are other eye-opening articles online about the Pope promoting unity with Islam via their mutual veneration of Mary (Muhammad apparently said his daughter Fatima was in the 2nd highest position for a woman in heaven, directly after Mary) and a recent statement saying that attempting to persuade anyone to convert to one's religion was one of the worst things one could do in life. Jesus in the Great Commission thought otherwise. One would think that if one truly believed only Catholics are saved one would do all one could to persuade others to miss Hell and embrace Catholicism. Heading up a crusade in South America on the subject of Purgatory and offering indulges online for those who can't make it to the crusade clearly indicates that Martin Luther's protest is NOT over, despite well-meant (but deceitful) proclamations to the contrary.
I Timothy 4:1 is being fulfilled more than ever before. Light and darkness have nothing in common. Former Protestants such as Ulf Eckman are at risk of losing their own salvation and assisting others to lose theirs (or never gain salvation in the first place). "If they speak not according to this Word, there is NO LIGHT IN THEM". Praying for someone in darkness and bondage to doctrines of demons is something all born again people are called to do. Linking arms with them and giving the impression that we are all in the one spiritual family is akin to Solomon erecting idols in the temple and still believing he is worshiping Jehovah..

Micheal
Could you, would you please supply some sources for your information? I'm aware of a connection of Fatima of Islam (actual Mohammed's sister) with the Lady of Fatima vision but I have never read the rest where Mohammed said she was second to Mary.
Also I would like to read the article on selling of indulgences in South Africa.
And who exactly made the statement about attempting to persuade a person to change religions? What was the context?



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Here are some links and excerpts:

Salvation – or at least a shorter stay in Purgatory – might now be only a tweet away with news that Pope Francis is to offer “indulgences” – remissions for temporary punishment – to the faithful who follow him on the social media site.

Around 1.5 million are expected to flock to Rio de Janeiro to celebrate World Youth Day with the Argentine pontiff later this month. But for those who can’t make it to Brazil, forgiveness may be available to contrite sinners who follow Francis’s progress via their TV screen or social networks.

The Sacred Apostolic Penitentiary, the Vatican court that rules on the forgiveness of sins, has said that indulgences may be given to those who follow the “rites and pious exercises” of the event on television, radio and through social media.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 13666.html

Pope Francis is encouraging Christians and Muslims to work together for peace by invoking together the Virgin Mary, as faithful of both creeds share a devotion to her.

The 8th Islamic-Christian Prayer Meeting was held Tuesday, feast of the Annunciation, in Beirut, Lebanon, and focused on the theme “Together around Mary, Our Lady."

The Solemnity of the Annunciation is marked by both Christians and Muslims and was declared a national holiday by the Lebanese government in 2010

The meeting was organized by the St. Joseph University Alumni Assocation and the College of Our Lady of Jamhour.

The Pope's message was give through Secretary of State Pietro Parolin, who said the Holy Father was joyous at seeing "Christians and Muslims united in their devotion to the Virgin Mary,"

The Pontiff noted that "the shrine of Our Lady of Lebanon in Harissa is a blessed place where everyone can go to invoke her."

He also encouraged Christians and Muslims to “work together for peace and for the common good, thus contributing to the full development of the person and the edification of society," and entrusted the participants in the meeting “and all the inhabitants of Lebanon to the maternal intercession of the Virgin Mary, Queen of Peace and Protectress of Lebanon."

Mother of dialogue

The secretary of the Pontifical Council for Interreligious Dialogue, Father Miguel Angel Ayuso, gave an address at the meeting called "The Virgin Mary and Islamic-Christian dialogue."

In his address, which focused both on the figure of Mary and on the mission of the Pontifical Council for Interreligious Dialogue, Fr. Ayuso emphasised that the feast of 25 March was “a true example of the co-existence between Muslims and Christians that characterises Lebanese history, in the midst of so many difficulties, and which also constitutes an important example for many other nations”.

“Since Vatican Council II, the Catholic Church recognises that Muslims honour the Virgin mother of Jesus, Mary, and invoke her with piety. … Mary is mentioned various times in the Koran. Respect for her is so evident that when she is mentioned in Islam, it is usual to add 'Alayha l-salam' ('Peace be upon her'). Christians also willingly join in this invocation. I must also mention those shrines dedicated to Mary which welcome both Muslims and Christians. In particular, here in Lebanon, how can we forget the shrine of Our Lady of Lebanon in Harissa?”

“Devotion creates sentiments of friendship: it is a phenomenon open to everyone. The cultural experiences that our communities can share encourage collaboration, solidarity and mutual recognition as sons and daughters of a single God, members of the same human family. Therefore, the Church addresses the followers of Islam with esteem. During the last fifty years, a dialogue of friendship and mutual respect has been constructed”.

With reference to the dialogue between Muslims and Christians, he went on to explain that the Pontifical Council for Interreligious Dialogue “seeks to establish regular relationships with Muslim institutions and organisations, with the aim of promoting mutual understanding and trust, friendship and, where possible, collaboration. In fact, there exist agreements with various Muslim institutions enabling the possibility of holding periodical meetings, in accordance with the programmes and procedures approved by both parties. With regard to the methods of interreligious dialogue and, therefore, the dialogue between Christians and Muslims, we must recall that dialogue is a two-way form of communication. … It is based on witness of one's own faith and, at the same time, openness to the religion of the other. It is not a betrayal of the mission of the Church, and much less a new method of conversion to Christianity. The document 'Dialogue and Proclamation', published jointly by the Congregation for the Evangelisation of Peoples and the Council for Interreligious Dialogue in 1991, identifies four different forms of interreligious dialogue: the dialogue of life, the dialogue of works, the dialogue of theological exchange and the dialogue of religious experience. These four forms demonstrate that it is not an experience confined to specialists”.

Fr. Ayuso concluded by analysing the role of Mary, in the light of the motto of the national holiday in Lebanon, “Together around Mary, Our Lady”. “In the Apostolic Exhortation 'Marialis Cultus', promulgated in 1974 by Pope Paul VI, Mary is presented as 'the Virgin who listens', 'the Virgin who prays', 'the Virgin in dialogue with God'. … But there is also the image of a model of dialogue of seeking when, addressing the Archangel Gabriel, she asks, 'How is it possible?'. Mary, a model for Muslims and Christians, is also a model of dialogue, teaching us to believe, not to close ourselves up in certainties, but rather to remain open and available to others”.
(March 26, 2014) © Innovative Media Inc.

http://www.zenit.org/en/articles/pope-e ... on-to-mary

THE FATIMA VISION



The apparitions of the Virgin Mary at Fatima Portugal are intimately tied to the Islamic world. The two great women of Islam are the Virgin Mary of Nazareth and Mohammed's daughter, named Fatima. After the death of his daughter, Fatima, Mohammed wrote: "Thou shalt be the most blessed of all the women in Paradise, after Mary". The village itself in Portugal called Fatima was named such by a Christian leader who married a Muslim maiden named after Mohammed's daughter.



When Pope John Paul II was almost killed in Saint Peter's Square by an extremist, some interpreted it as the fulfillment of a prophecy spoken by the young seer of Fatima. It did not actually fulfill the words of the prophecy and so the terrible event of 1981, happening, indeed, as it did on May 13, the feast of Our Lady of Fatima, could therefore be interpreted only as a foreshadowing or warning, if you will, of the eventual real fulfillment of the prophecy.



The Holy Father, Benedict XVI, after his controversial speech at the Germany University, fortunately had an opportunity to re-affirm the Church's important teaching regarding the religion of the Muslims:



"The Church regards with esteem also the Muslims. They adore the one God,

living and subsisting in Himself; merciful and all-powerful, the Creator of heaven

and earth, Who has spoken to men; they take pains to submit wholeheartedly to

even His inscrutable decrees, just as Abraham, with whom the faith of Islam

takes pleasure in linking itself, submitted to God. Though they do not acknowledge

Jesus as God, they revere Him as a prophet. They also honor Mary, His virgin

Mother; at times they even call on her with devotion. In addition, they await the

day of judgment when God will render their deserts to all those who have been

raised up from the dead. Finally, they value the moral life and worship God

especially through prayer, almsgiving and fasting"



We have to add as well, that despite the accusation of violence so often made against Muslim extremists, they are not guilty of the of terrible slaughter of innocent life in the womb that occurs with such lack of scruples throughout the western world. Likewise in Islamic countries they maintain a high respect for the dignity of true marriage between a man and a women.



What is to be feared, however, is that the price of this sad controversy may, in the end, cost the Pope his life, and it seems all the more possible, since the, as yet unfulfilled, prophecy of the seer of Fatima would in fact then, according to the letter, be fulfilled.



We must, as Jacinta so often pleaded: "Pray for the Holy Father", and as Our Lady of Fatima requested at each apparition: "Pray the Rosary every day".



Father Thomas Carleton

The-Rosary.net Editorial

Feast of Our Lady of La Salette and the Martyr Saint Januarius

http://www.ourladyswarriors.org/carleton101.htm

Meanwhile, Pope Francis has also been aggressively courting Muslims. The following quote from Pope Francis comes from remarks that he made during his very first ecumenical meeting…

I then greet and cordially thank you all, dear friends belonging to other religious traditions; first of all the Muslims, who worship the one God, living and merciful, and call upon Him in prayer, and all of you. I really appreciate your presence: in it I see a tangible sign of the will to grow in mutual esteem and cooperation for the common good of humanity.

The Catholic Church is aware of the importance of promoting friendship and respect between men and women of different religious traditions – I wish to repeat this: promoting friendship and respect between men and women of different religious traditions – it also attests the valuable work that the Pontifical Council for interreligious dialogue performs.

Did you catch that?

Apparently Pope Francis believes that Catholics and Muslims worship the same God.

More recently, Francis made the following statement about Muslims…

“We must never forget that they ‘profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, who will judge humanity on the last day.’”

http://www.infowars.com/pope-francis-an ... -religion/

And finally:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/peopl ... 39488.html
Check Tip # 8 re Proselytizing.



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Many of these errors have been a part of Roman Catholicism for quite some time; most of them are presented as official dogma in the Catechism of the Catholic Church written by John Paul Ii.



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I can't work out how to edit posts.In my last post (above), I meant to direct people to Point #9 of the Pope's Ten Things Which Lead to Happiness. NOT Proselytizing is one of these things. I can think of only one being who is happy when true born again believers opt NOT to share their faith and do as Paul did: "Knowing the terror of the Lord, we persuade men". (2 Cor. 5 : 11)



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tomas555 wrote:Sounds funny when non saved person instructs the whole world how to be saved. If stupidity and ignorance could be turned into the gold and purple, I suppose vatican would be the wealthiest city on the face of the earth. But this comrade will never understand that catholic church is not the Church and never will be.

Rather to stay in poorer middle class and not be ignorant, than to be rich and stupid and blind catholic.

I was at the bedside of a dying friend a few years ago. They had called in a priest to give her the "last rites." The priest would name a "saint" of the catholic church, and then the family would say, "Pray for Pat." Asking the "saints" to pray for her? Believe me, my prayers were completely different. The most horrifying thing I've ever heard someone say was this: (and I quote) "By the grace of the pope your sins are forgiven." I was screaming inside. To think that any human man has the power to forgive someone's sin. God help them!



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The issue of the pope presuming to take upon himself the right to forgive sins was a problem even in the post-apostolic church. One of the church fathers, Tertullian, wrote strongly against this practice in the second century. The sad reality is that the "early church fathers" went off-track from Scripture pretty early on.



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