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bibleman wrote:
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Grandfather wrote:
bibleman wrote:
Grandfather wrote:
bibleman wrote:Prov. 16:6 ¶ By mercy and truth iniquity is purged: and by the fear of the LORD men depart from evil.
PRO. 16:6 Dake note.

{a} By mercy and truth iniquity is purged: and by the fear of the LORD men depart from evil By the mercy and truth of God atonement for sin is made and iniquity is purged; through fear of Him men depart from sin (Jn. 16:6; Tit. 3:5).
Can the grace message being preached today produce a departure from evil?
Please tell me your understanding of "the grace message being preached today" and how it is different from the grace message that Paul preached in Romans?
The grace message being preached today says that your sins are forgiven past, present and future. That once saved, you need never repent or confess sin again. Thus no fear of God or eternal damnation.
I won't say you've haven't heard that, but I can say it's not the message I've heard.

I agree that is not the message I have heard either.
Have you listened to Joseph Prince or Creflo Dollar?

You are kidding.. Right? I would no more listen to those two than I would listen to Muslim cleric. Fact is I try my best to avoid most TV preachers. Most have terrible theology and most will say and do anything if it means the viewer will tune them in again. No I haven't heard them nor will I.



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Justaned wrote: You are kidding.. Right? I would no more listen to those two than I would listen to Muslim cleric. Fact is I try my best to avoid most TV preachers. Most have terrible theology and most will say and do anything if it means the viewer will tune them in again. No I haven't heard them nor will I.
OK that explains why you have NOT heard the modern day grace message!


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bibleman wrote:
Justaned wrote: You are kidding.. Right? I would no more listen to those two than I would listen to Muslim cleric. Fact is I try my best to avoid most TV preachers. Most have terrible theology and most will say and do anything if it means the viewer will tune them in again. No I haven't heard them nor will I.
OK that explains why you have NOT heard the modern day grace message!
So in answer to your question
Can the grace message being preached today produce a departure from evil?
The answer is it depends.

If a true Minister of God's Word preaches the truth of the Grace message today it can produce a departure from evil or sin

However if a junkyard dog preaches the ear tickling junk message on grace it probably won't do much more than bring the viewer back tomorrow to have their ears tickled once again.

Old adage "garbage in garbage out."



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bibleman wrote:
Justaned wrote:
Grandfather wrote:
bibleman wrote:
Grandfather wrote:
bibleman wrote:Prov. 16:6 ¶ By mercy and truth iniquity is purged: and by the fear of the LORD men depart from evil.
PRO. 16:6 Dake note.

{a} By mercy and truth iniquity is purged: and by the fear of the LORD men depart from evil By the mercy and truth of God atonement for sin is made and iniquity is purged; through fear of Him men depart from sin (Jn. 16:6; Tit. 3:5).
Can the grace message being preached today produce a departure from evil?
Please tell me your understanding of "the grace message being preached today" and how it is different from the grace message that Paul preached in Romans?
The grace message being preached today says that your sins are forgiven past, present and future. That once saved, you need never repent or confess sin again. Thus no fear of God or eternal damnation.
I won't say you've haven't heard that, but I can say it's not the message I've heard.

I agree that is not the message I have heard either.
Have you listened to Joseph Prince or Creflo Dollar?
I haven't heard Creflo in a number of years and I have no idea who Joseph Prince is. Is Joseph related to the late Derek Prince?



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Didn't Creflo Dollar start whistling that tune not long after his arrest for assault and battery?



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Justaned wrote:
bibleman wrote:
Justaned wrote: You are kidding.. Right? I would no more listen to those two than I would listen to Muslim cleric. Fact is I try my best to avoid most TV preachers. Most have terrible theology and most will say and do anything if it means the viewer will tune them in again. No I haven't heard them nor will I.
OK that explains why you have NOT heard the modern day grace message!
So in answer to your question
Can the grace message being preached today produce a departure from evil?
The answer is it depends.

If a true Minister of God's Word preaches the truth of the Grace message today it can produce a departure from evil or sin

However if a junkyard dog preaches the ear tickling junk message on grace it probably won't do much more than bring the viewer back tomorrow to have their ears tickled once again.

Old adage "garbage in garbage out."
I agree.

That is one reason I find no value in MacArthur's grace message. But I would not go so far as to call him a junkyard dog. Most junkyard dogs have been proven to have value.


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Grandfather wrote: I haven't heard Creflo in a number of years and I have no idea who Joseph Prince is. Is Joseph related to the late Derek Prince?
No relation, as far as I know.


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I would not call MacArthur a junkyard dog. I listen to him when I can. I have heard him preach many times on various subjects but never on OSAS exclusively. However I have read many of his books that do touch the subject and I have never never never heard or seen him even remotely suggest that OSAS theology gives a person a pass on sin. I have never seen him or heard of him implying that once saved you can sin with impunity.

In fact he preaches just the opposite if you are in sin you need to get saved and once you are saved and should you sin you will be chastised by the Holy Spirit until you repent. He simply does not believe you lose your salvation from the time you sin until you do repent. However he does teach if you sin refuse to address it and continue on in that process one has to question if you were truly saved to begin with.



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Justaned wrote:I would not call MacArthur a junkyard dog. I listen to him when I can. I have heard him preach many times on various subjects but never on OSAS exclusively. However I have read many of his books that do touch the subject and I have never never never heard or seen him even remotely suggest that OSAS theology gives a person a pass on sin. I have never seen him or heard of him implying that once saved you can sin with impunity.

In fact he preaches just the opposite if you are in sin you need to get saved and once you are saved and should you sin you will be chastised by the Holy Spirit until you repent. He simply does not believe you lose your salvation from the time you sin until you do repent. However he does teach if you sin refuse to address it and continue on in that process one has to question if you were truly saved to begin with.
Hi Justaned,

Above you said: "He simply does not believe you lose your salvation from the time you sin until you do repent."

That is called once saved always saved!


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bibleman wrote:
Justaned wrote:I would not call MacArthur a junkyard dog. I listen to him when I can. I have heard him preach many times on various subjects but never on OSAS exclusively. However I have read many of his books that do touch the subject and I have never never never heard or seen him even remotely suggest that OSAS theology gives a person a pass on sin. I have never seen him or heard of him implying that once saved you can sin with impunity.

In fact he preaches just the opposite if you are in sin you need to get saved and once you are saved and should you sin you will be chastised by the Holy Spirit until you repent. He simply does not believe you lose your salvation from the time you sin until you do repent. However he does teach if you sin refuse to address it and continue on in that process one has to question if you were truly saved to begin with.
Hi Justaned,

Above you said: "He simply does not believe you lose your salvation from the time you sin until you do repent."

That is called once saved always saved!
I'm fully aware of that. I never said he didn't teach Once Saved Always Saved. Besides that is how you believe isn't it? That once you are saved you won't sin so you will always be saved. That is what you were lecturing Grandfather on somewhere else in forum, isn't it?



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