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bibleman wrote:Why would a OSAS person need to renew their mind?

They don't even have to stop sinning... and sinning comes from the heart... then to the mind... then to the body.

So if they are still sinners then obviously their mind is not renewed.
I see it differently, a person is compelled by love to conform to the image of Christ, which is only done by the discipline of renewing the mind.

However someone that believes they are completely freed from sin and sinning, sees no need to renew their mind. Why should they? They no longer sin. What benefit is a renewed mind to them?



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Grandfather wrote:
bibleman wrote:Why would a OSAS person need to renew their mind?

They don't even have to stop sinning... and sinning comes from the heart... then to the mind... then to the body.

So if they are still sinners then obviously their mind is not renewed.
I see it differently, a person is compelled by love to conform to the image of Christ, which is only done by the discipline of renewing the mind.

However someone that believes they are completely freed from sin and sinning, sees no need to renew their mind. Why should they? They no longer sin. What benefit is a renewed mind to them?
If you are raised in poverty.... then come to the Word that teaches that God wants you rich... well you have to renew your mind from poverty to riches.


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bibleman wrote:
Grandfather wrote:
bibleman wrote:Why would a OSAS person need to renew their mind?

They don't even have to stop sinning... and sinning comes from the heart... then to the mind... then to the body.

So if they are still sinners then obviously their mind is not renewed.
I see it differently, a person is compelled by love to conform to the image of Christ, which is only done by the discipline of renewing the mind.

However someone that believes they are completely freed from sin and sinning, sees no need to renew their mind. Why should they? They no longer sin. What benefit is a renewed mind to them?
If you are raised in poverty.... then come to the Word that teaches that God wants you rich... well you have to renew your mind from poverty to riches.
But you would already know that, because believing and doing anything against the will (Word) of God would be sin and you are free from that.



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Grandfather wrote:
bibleman wrote:
Grandfather wrote:
bibleman wrote:Why would a OSAS person need to renew their mind?

They don't even have to stop sinning... and sinning comes from the heart... then to the mind... then to the body.

So if they are still sinners then obviously their mind is not renewed.
I see it differently, a person is compelled by love to conform to the image of Christ, which is only done by the discipline of renewing the mind.

However someone that believes they are completely freed from sin and sinning, sees no need to renew their mind. Why should they? They no longer sin. What benefit is a renewed mind to them?
If you are raised in poverty.... then come to the Word that teaches that God wants you rich... well you have to renew your mind from poverty to riches.
But you would already know that, because believing and doing anything against the will (Word) of God would be sin and you are free from that.
Many Christians don't know that!


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bibleman wrote:
Grandfather wrote:
bibleman wrote:
Grandfather wrote:
bibleman wrote:Why would a OSAS person need to renew their mind?

They don't even have to stop sinning... and sinning comes from the heart... then to the mind... then to the body.

So if they are still sinners then obviously their mind is not renewed.
I see it differently, a person is compelled by love to conform to the image of Christ, which is only done by the discipline of renewing the mind.

However someone that believes they are completely freed from sin and sinning, sees no need to renew their mind. Why should they? They no longer sin. What benefit is a renewed mind to them?
If you are raised in poverty.... then come to the Word that teaches that God wants you rich... well you have to renew your mind from poverty to riches.
But you would already know that, because believing and doing anything against the will (Word) of God would be sin and you are free from that.
Many Christians don't know that!
Then many Christians are sinning because they are going against the will of God.



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Grandfather wrote:
bibleman wrote:
Grandfather wrote:
bibleman wrote:
Grandfather wrote:
bibleman wrote:Why would a OSAS person need to renew their mind?

They don't even have to stop sinning... and sinning comes from the heart... then to the mind... then to the body.

So if they are still sinners then obviously their mind is not renewed.
I see it differently, a person is compelled by love to conform to the image of Christ, which is only done by the discipline of renewing the mind.

However someone that believes they are completely freed from sin and sinning, sees no need to renew their mind. Why should they? They no longer sin. What benefit is a renewed mind to them?
If you are raised in poverty.... then come to the Word that teaches that God wants you rich... well you have to renew your mind from poverty to riches.
But you would already know that, because believing and doing anything against the will (Word) of God would be sin and you are free from that.
Many Christians don't know that!
Then many Christians are sinning because they are going against the will of God.
They are going against the will of God which is that God wants them rich. That is what you are agreeing too!

Did you know that? read the post above and see.


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bibleman wrote: They are going against the will of God which is that God wants them rich. That is what you are agreeing too!

Did you know that? read the post above and see.
I am not taking a stance on if God wants them rich. I am, however, following your line of reasoning to its logical conclusion
.
You stated;
bibleman wrote:"If you are raised in poverty.... then come to the Word that teaches that God wants you rich... well you have to renew your mind from poverty to riches."
If that is true... then living is poverty is a SIN, because it is contrary to the will of God. Ignorance of God will does not keep an action from being a sin, especially when access to God's word is available.

Therefore, what you present is a situation were Christians are sinning and need to renew their minds in order to conform to the will of God and quit sinning. Which is exactly what OSAS believes, they sin and must renew their minds to understand the will of God.

So, if you believe I am agreeing to "God wants us rich"... then you are also agreeing to Christians commit sin and are therefor sinners saved by grace.



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Grandfather wrote:
bibleman wrote: They are going against the will of God which is that God wants them rich. That is what you are agreeing too!

Did you know that? read the post above and see.
I am not taking a stance on if God wants them rich. I am, however, following your line of reasoning to its logical conclusion
.
You stated;
bibleman wrote:"If you are raised in poverty.... then come to the Word that teaches that God wants you rich... well you have to renew your mind from poverty to riches."
If that is true... then living is poverty is a SIN, because it is contrary to the will of God. Ignorance of God will does not keep an action from being a sin, especially when access to God's word is available.

Therefore, what you present is a situation were Christians are sinning and need to renew their minds in order to conform to the will of God and quit sinning. Which is exactly what OSAS believes, they sin and must renew their minds to understand the will of God.

So, if you believe I am agreeing to "God wants us rich"... then you are also agreeing to Christians commit sin and are therefor sinners saved by grace.
Your argument is all your own, for I have not said what you have made up in your own mind.


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