Dake Bible Discussion Board ⇒ Is He, or isn't He, Truly, Your Reason for Being?

[Watchman2013]

How many here, take God at His Word? Do you, truly, every day, put your total, complete, faith, trust, and belief in God, to provide for you, in all your ways? Do you believe every single word, jot, and tittle of The Word of God? Are you willing to put your life, and the lives of others, "on the line," believing beyond any shadow of doubt, that God IS His Word?

I'm not asking this question of the 5%, or less, of people who actually know that they are Christians. I'm asking this of those who comprise the 95%+ of the "Christian" population who put on a show for others... Don't be shocked, for God is not mocked, nor is He deceived, by those who put on that show for others... He looks upon the hearts and minds of Man, and cannot be fooled nor hoodwinked. We are as transparent to Him, as the most pure of glass...

The power of life and death, is in the tongue. Do those here not think that God knows the intent and purpose behind every word written or spoken here? Of course He does... Be not deceived, for He cannot be deceived. He knows what your will, intents, and purposes are... So, why do some here try to twist His Word, and then justify their actions, knowing that God knows the truth, and so, too, do those who are indwelt by His Holy Spirit?

Read, if you dare, the 23rd Chapter of Matthew, in how The Lord Jesus Christ remonstrated with the Pharisees... Some here, do follow the Word of God, to the extent of Matthew 23:24 (NKJV)
24 "Blind guides, who strain out a gnat and swallow a camel!"

Reverend Dake was nothing less than brilliant, in how to read, interpret, and understand The Word of God. His methodology is perfect- so why do some here, disabuse it, and dishonor not only God, but the Reverend Dake, who shared the wisdom God gave him to share? It seems strange that such contradictions would sometimes be so rife, here, as to beggar the imagination...

Let us therefore be assiduous in the pursuit of wisdom, knowledge, and understanding, vis-a-vis, The Word of God. Let us not be faint, nor grow weary, in seeking to grasp, and absorb, the very essence and meat that is The Word of God. Let us, therefore, together, for the benefit of all, share in this Holy quest, refining our spirits and souls, cleansing them of all unrighteousness, and covetousness, and reach only for the consecration, sanctification, and holiness, of, and to, God...

Maranatha

C.F. Leffen, aka, Watchman2013

[bibleman]

How many here, take God at His Word? Do you, truly, every day, put your total, complete, faith, trust, and belief in God, to provide for you, in all your ways? Do you believe every single word, jot, and tittle of The Word of God? Are you willing to put your life, and the lives of others, "on the line," believing beyond any shadow of doubt, that God IS His Word?

I'm not asking this question of the 5%, or less, of people who actually know that they are Christians. I'm asking this of those who comprise the 95%+ of the "Christian" population who put on a show for others... Don't be shocked, for God is not mocked, nor is He deceived, by those who put on that show for others... He looks upon the hearts and minds of Man, and cannot be fooled nor hoodwinked. We are as transparent to Him, as the most pure of glass...

The power of life and death, is in the tongue. Do those here not think that God knows the intent and purpose behind every word written or spoken here? Of course He does... Be not deceived, for He cannot be deceived. He knows what your will, intents, and purposes are... So, why do some here try to twist His Word, and then justify their actions, knowing that God knows the truth, and so, too, do those who are indwelt by His Holy Spirit?

Read, if you dare, the 23rd Chapter of Matthew, in how The Lord Jesus Christ remonstrated with the Pharisees... Some here, do follow the Word of God, to the extent of Matthew 23:24 (NKJV)
24 "Blind guides, who strain out a gnat and swallow a camel!"

Reverend Dake was nothing less than brilliant, in how to read, interpret, and understand The Word of God. His methodology is perfect- so why do some here, disabuse it, and dishonor not only God, but the Reverend Dake, who shared the wisdom God gave him to share? It seems strange that such contradictions would sometimes be so rife, here, as to beggar the imagination...

Let us therefore be assiduous in the pursuit of wisdom, knowledge, and understanding, vis-a-vis, The Word of God. Let us not be faint, nor grow weary, in seeking to grasp, and absorb, the very essence and meat that is The Word of God. Let us, therefore, together, for the benefit of all, share in this Holy quest, refining our spirits and souls, cleansing them of all unrighteousness, and covetousness, and reach only for the consecration, sanctification, and holiness, of, and to, God...

Maranatha

C.F. Leffen, aka, Watchman2013

Hi Watchman2013

Above you said: "Reverend Dake was nothing less than brilliant, in how to read, interpret, and understand The Word of God. His methodology is perfect- so why do some here, disabuse it, and dishonor not only God, but the Reverend Dake, who shared the wisdom God gave him to share? It seems strange that such contradictions would sometimes be so rife, here, as to beggar the imagination... "

Based on what you said above... would you agree with Dake on this?

A father in his family is the sovereign and does as he pleases within certain limits. God also acts within definite limits. He made man a free moral agent. As a matter of power God might predetermine certain volitions that would necessitate certain acts of man, but then He would be forcing men to act like a mere machine without freedom of action of his own accord. The question is therefore not what God can do, but what God does do in carrying out His own plan—a plan which was made to deal with free moral agents instead of machines. Therefore, we see that God must of necessity limit Himself in His actions in dealing with free moral agents and finite creatures.
Finis J. Dake, Bible Truths Unmasked, (Lawrenceville, GA: Dake Publishing, Inc., 2003), WORDsearch CROSS e-book, 206.

[Justaned]

Hi Watchman2013

Above you said: "Reverend Dake was nothing less than brilliant, in how to read, interpret, and understand The Word of God. His methodology is perfect- so why do some here, disabuse it, and dishonor not only God, but the Reverend Dake, who shared the wisdom God gave him to share? It seems strange that such contradictions would sometimes be so rife, here, as to beggar the imagination... "

Based on what you said above... would you agree with Dake on this?

A father in his family is the sovereign and does as he pleases within certain limits. God also acts within definite limits. He made man a free moral agent. As a matter of power God might predetermine certain volitions that would necessitate certain acts of man, but then He would be forcing men to act like a mere machine without freedom of action of his own accord. The question is therefore not what God can do, but what God does do in carrying out His own plan—a plan which was made to deal with free moral agents instead of machines. Therefore, we see that God must of necessity limit Himself in His actions in dealing with free moral agents and finite creatures.
Finis J. Dake, Bible Truths Unmasked, (Lawrenceville, GA: Dake Publishing, Inc., 2003), WORDsearch CROSS e-book, 206.

I would answer that while Dake's methods were brilliant and his methodology was nearly perfect. I would say that in some case Dake came to conclusions that could not be fully proven out by scripture and often were his interpretation of what scripture was saying.

This is a perfect example I think Dake had fallen into the trap that for God to allow man to be fully free will God had to limit Himself some way. I do not believe this is a 1+1=2 scenario. I believe God can be fully omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient and still have man as free will creature.

[bibleman]

Hi Watchman2013

Above you said: "Reverend Dake was nothing less than brilliant, in how to read, interpret, and understand The Word of God. His methodology is perfect- so why do some here, disabuse it, and dishonor not only God, but the Reverend Dake, who shared the wisdom God gave him to share? It seems strange that such contradictions would sometimes be so rife, here, as to beggar the imagination... "

Based on what you said above... would you agree with Dake on this?

A father in his family is the sovereign and does as he pleases within certain limits. God also acts within definite limits. He made man a free moral agent. As a matter of power God might predetermine certain volitions that would necessitate certain acts of man, but then He would be forcing men to act like a mere machine without freedom of action of his own accord. The question is therefore not what God can do, but what God does do in carrying out His own plan—a plan which was made to deal with free moral agents instead of machines. Therefore, we see that God must of necessity limit Himself in His actions in dealing with free moral agents and finite creatures.
Finis J. Dake, Bible Truths Unmasked, (Lawrenceville, GA: Dake Publishing, Inc., 2003), WORDsearch CROSS e-book, 206.

I would answer that while Dake's methods were brilliant and his methodology was nearly perfect. I would say that in some case Dake came to conclusions that could not be fully proven out by scripture and often were his interpretation of what scripture was saying.

This is a perfect example I think Dake had fallen into the trap that for God to allow man to be fully free will God had to limit Himself some way. I do not believe this is a 1+1=2 scenario. I believe God can be fully omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient and still have man as free will creature.

Well Justaned,

Thanks for your reply.

I would have to disagree however, I think Dake's reasoning is in perfect harmony with the Scriptures.

[Watchman2013]

Hi Watchman2013

Above you said: "Reverend Dake was nothing less than brilliant, in how to read, interpret, and understand The Word of God. His methodology is perfect- so why do some here, disabuse it, and dishonor not only God, but the Reverend Dake, who shared the wisdom God gave him to share? It seems strange that such contradictions would sometimes be so rife, here, as to beggar the imagination... "

Based on what you said above... would you agree with Dake on this?

A father in his family is the sovereign and does as he pleases within certain limits. God also acts within definite limits. He made man a free moral agent. As a matter of power God might predetermine certain volitions that would necessitate certain acts of man, but then He would be forcing men to act like a mere machine without freedom of action of his own accord. The question is therefore not what God can do, but what God does do in carrying out His own plan—a plan which was made to deal with free moral agents instead of machines. Therefore, we see that God must of necessity limit Himself in His actions in dealing with free moral agents and finite creatures.
Finis J. Dake, Bible Truths Unmasked, (Lawrenceville, GA: Dake Publishing, Inc., 2003), WORDsearch CROSS e-book, 206.

I would answer that while Dake's methods were brilliant and his methodology was nearly perfect. I would say that in some case Dake came to conclusions that could not be fully proven out by scripture and often were his interpretation of what scripture was saying.

This is a perfect example I think Dake had fallen into the trap that for God to allow man to be fully free will God had to limit Himself some way. I do not believe this is a 1+1=2 scenario. I believe God can be fully omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient and still have man as free will creature.

Well Justaned,

Thanks for your reply.

I would have to disagree however, I think Dake's reasoning is in perfect harmony with the Scriptures.

Dear Justaned,

As I believe God is Omniscient, Omnipotent, Omnipresent, AND Sovereign, and that being such, Man can still have "free will," I agree with you. There is no inconsistency with God...


Maranatha

C.F. Leffen, aka, Watchman2013

[titus213]

The inconsistency is with Watchman, who now has to backpedal away from his statements about Dake!
Too funny.

[macca]

That was beautiful

[Watchman2013]

Too funny, Titus?

Luke 12:2-5 (AMP)

2 Nothing is [so closely] covered up that it will not be revealed, or hidden that it will not be known.
3 Whatever you have spoken in the darkness shall be heard and listened to in the light, and what you have whispered in [people's] ears and behind closed doors will be proclaimed upon the housetops.
4 I tell you, My friends, do not dread and be afraid of those who kill the body and after that have nothing more that they can do.
5 But I will warn you whom you should fear: fear Him Who, after killing, has power to hurl into hell (Gehenna); yes, I say to you, fear Him!

Matthew 10:26-28 (AMP)

26 So have no fear of them; for nothing is concealed that will not be revealed, or kept secret that will not become known.
27 What I say to you in the dark, tell in the light; and what you hear whispered in the ear, proclaim upon the housetops.
28 And do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul; but rather be afraid of Him who can destroy both soul and body in hell (Gehenna).

Matthew 23:24 (AMP)

24 You blind guides, filtering out a gnat and gulping down a camel!

You bring doubt and possible discredit upon Finis Jennings Dake, drawing from one of his lesser known books, as in Bible Truths Unmasked, showing his doubt as to God's being Omniscient, Omnipresent, and Omnipotent. Are you not aware that belief in the Trinity, God- The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit, is the very foundation of Christianity? That God, in ALL Three Persons, were there, at the very creation of the Universe?

It's sad to learn of such foibles coming to light. What is tragic, however, is that there are those who spend more time reading materials NOT, The Word of God... It has been my observation, that many people would rather do anything than read, study, or contemplate The Word of God... Rather than reading other things than The Word of God, we should all seek to be approved- in God's Eyes, rather than major upon the things of Man- even Finis Jennings Dake's work.

Now, as to that which Bibleman alludes to in Bible Truths Unmasked, I have it, but have not read it... I'm still learning from the DARB and God's Plan for Man. After 30 years, I'm still learning from the Word of God. I'm sure that I'll still be learning 30,000 years from now, as well...

If more people would study the Bible, The Word of God, rather than the things of man- any man not specifically noted in the Word of God, this world would be a better place.

Likewise, those snarky enough to defend obscure passages from little known works, should not worry about the splinters in other's eyes, when they have planks in their own...

I haven't walked on water, and as far as I know, only Our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, and the Apostle Peter, are the only ones to do so... I'd guess that neither Finis Jennings Dake, and you all, haven't either... So at least try, to appear to the world, to be adults. Yes, a giant stretch for some of you, but at least give it a wave, as it, the world hungry for Salvation, passes you by...

Maranatha

C.F. Leffen, Watchman2013

[bibleman]

Too funny, Titus?

Luke 12:2-5 (AMP)

2 Nothing is [so closely] covered up that it will not be revealed, or hidden that it will not be known.
3 Whatever you have spoken in the darkness shall be heard and listened to in the light, and what you have whispered in [people's] ears and behind closed doors will be proclaimed upon the housetops.
4 I tell you, My friends, do not dread and be afraid of those who kill the body and after that have nothing more that they can do.
5 But I will warn you whom you should fear: fear Him Who, after killing, has power to hurl into hell (Gehenna); yes, I say to you, fear Him!

Matthew 10:26-28 (AMP)

26 So have no fear of them; for nothing is concealed that will not be revealed, or kept secret that will not become known.
27 What I say to you in the dark, tell in the light; and what you hear whispered in the ear, proclaim upon the housetops.
28 And do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul; but rather be afraid of Him who can destroy both soul and body in hell (Gehenna).

Matthew 23:24 (AMP)

24 You blind guides, filtering out a gnat and gulping down a camel!

You bring doubt and possible discredit upon Finis Jennings Dake, drawing from one of his lesser known books, as in Bible Truths Unmasked, showing his doubt as to God's being Omniscient, Omnipresent, and Omnipotent. Are you not aware that belief in the Trinity, God- The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit, is the very foundation of Christianity? That God, in ALL Three Persons, were there, at the very creation of the Universe?

It's sad to learn of such foibles coming to light. What is tragic, however, is that there are those who spend more time reading materials NOT, The Word of God... It has been my observation, that many people would rather do anything than read, study, or contemplate The Word of God... Rather than reading other things than The Word of God, we should all seek to be approved- in God's Eyes, rather than major upon the things of Man- even Finis Jennings Dake's work.

Now, as to that which Bibleman alludes to in Bible Truths Unmasked, I have it, but have not read it... I'm still learning from the DARB and God's Plan for Man. After 30 years, I'm still learning from the Word of God. I'm sure that I'll still be learning 30,000 years from now, as well...

If more people would study the Bible, The Word of God, rather than the things of man- any man not specifically noted in the Word of God, this world would be a better place.

Likewise, those snarky enough to defend obscure passages from little known works, should not worry about the splinters in other's eyes, when they have planks in their own...

I haven't walked on water, and as far as I know, only Our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, and the Apostle Peter, are the only ones to do so... I'd guess that neither Finis Jennings Dake, and you all, haven't either... So at least try, to appear to the world, to be adults. Yes, a giant stretch for some of you, but at least give it a wave, as it, the world hungry for Salvation, passes you by...

Maranatha

C.F. Leffen, Watchman2013

Hi Watchman2013

OK if you don't like it from Bible Truths Unmasked here it is in God's Plan for Man!

A father in his family is the sovereign and does as he pleases within certain limits. God also acts within definite limits. He made man a free moral agent. As a matter of power God might predetermine certain volitions that would necessitate certain acts of man, but then He would be forcing man to act like a mere machine without freedom of action of his own accord. The question is therefore not what God can do, but what God does do in carrying out His own plan, which was made to deal with free moral agents instead of machines. God must of necessity limit Himself in His actions in dealing with finite creatures. Finis J. Dake, God's Plan for Man, (Lawrenceville, GA: Dake Publishing, Inc., 2004), WORDsearch CROSS e-book, 176.

Does that help you any?

Do you agree with Dake now?

[Watchman2013]

Too funny, Titus?

Luke 12:2-5 (AMP)

2 Nothing is [so closely] covered up that it will not be revealed, or hidden that it will not be known.
3 Whatever you have spoken in the darkness shall be heard and listened to in the light, and what you have whispered in [people's] ears and behind closed doors will be proclaimed upon the housetops.
4 I tell you, My friends, do not dread and be afraid of those who kill the body and after that have nothing more that they can do.
5 But I will warn you whom you should fear: fear Him Who, after killing, has power to hurl into hell (Gehenna); yes, I say to you, fear Him!

Matthew 10:26-28 (AMP)

26 So have no fear of them; for nothing is concealed that will not be revealed, or kept secret that will not become known.
27 What I say to you in the dark, tell in the light; and what you hear whispered in the ear, proclaim upon the housetops.
28 And do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul; but rather be afraid of Him who can destroy both soul and body in hell (Gehenna).

Matthew 23:24 (AMP)

24 You blind guides, filtering out a gnat and gulping down a camel!

You bring doubt and possible discredit upon Finis Jennings Dake, drawing from one of his lesser known books, as in Bible Truths Unmasked, showing his doubt as to God's being Omniscient, Omnipresent, and Omnipotent. Are you not aware that belief in the Trinity, God- The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit, is the very foundation of Christianity? That God, in ALL Three Persons, were there, at the very creation of the Universe?

It's sad to learn of such foibles coming to light. What is tragic, however, is that there are those who spend more time reading materials NOT, The Word of God... It has been my observation, that many people would rather do anything than read, study, or contemplate The Word of God... Rather than reading other things than The Word of God, we should all seek to be approved- in God's Eyes, rather than major upon the things of Man- even Finis Jennings Dake's work.

Now, as to that which Bibleman alludes to in Bible Truths Unmasked, I have it, but have not read it... I'm still learning from the DARB and God's Plan for Man. After 30 years, I'm still learning from the Word of God. I'm sure that I'll still be learning 30,000 years from now, as well...

If more people would study the Bible, The Word of God, rather than the things of man- any man not specifically noted in the Word of God, this world would be a better place.

Likewise, those snarky enough to defend obscure passages from little known works, should not worry about the splinters in other's eyes, when they have planks in their own...

I haven't walked on water, and as far as I know, only Our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, and the Apostle Peter, are the only ones to do so... I'd guess that neither Finis Jennings Dake, and you all, haven't either... So at least try, to appear to the world, to be adults. Yes, a giant stretch for some of you, but at least give it a wave, as it, the world hungry for Salvation, passes you by...

Maranatha

C.F. Leffen, Watchman2013

Hi Watchman2013

OK if you don't like it from Bible Truths Unmasked here it is in God's Plan for Man!

A father in his family is the sovereign and does as he pleases within certain limits. God also acts within definite limits. He made man a free moral agent. As a matter of power God might predetermine certain volitions that would necessitate certain acts of man, but then He would be forcing man to act like a mere machine without freedom of action of his own accord. The question is therefore not what God can do, but what God does do in carrying out His own plan, which was made to deal with free moral agents instead of machines. God must of necessity limit Himself in His actions in dealing with finite creatures. Finis J. Dake, God's Plan for Man, (Lawrenceville, GA: Dake Publishing, Inc., 2004), WORDsearch CROSS e-book, 176.

Does that help you any?

Do you agree with Dake now?

In a word, NO. It does not address the answer that I gave above... The thought that the same quote could elicit a different response, is ludicrous... Did F.J. Dake deny The Holy Trinity, or not? Yes, or no. If no, then why not?

No more parlor games or tricks... Did Reverend Dake believe in The Holy Trinity, of God- The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit? If not, everything he's done falls by the wayside. As He's in Heaven, there's no reason for you to not "Man-up."

Maranatha

C.F. Leffen, aka Watchman2013