Dake Bible Discussion Board ⇒ The passage all liberals hate!

[bibleman]

What do we get from this Scripture!

Genesis 18:20 And the LORD said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous;
21 I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know.

1) God can talk.
2) God has those who report to HIM what is going on on earth. (Angels)
3) God goes from place to place. (from heaven to earth and form place to place on earth)
4) The purpose in God going to Sodom and Gomorrah is to see what is going on.
5) God is checking for HIMSELF against the report that has been given to HIM. (before God destroys the cities HE must see for HIMSELF)
6) God is open to accepting the report or rejecting the report based on what HE HIMSELF sees. (Remember Angels have been known to lie)
7) God will ONLY know when he sees for HIMSELF. (THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT GOD HIMSELF SAID)

I love the simplicity of the Bible!

[cpbeller]

now, Leon...you should know by now, that we cannot always believe what the Bible says...God is like a very good mystery novelist, and the Bible is like a mystery novel. God will say things so that way we can be surprised and shocked. At least that is what I read once on here by a very prolific poster...

[bibleman]

now, Leon...you should know by now, that we cannot always believe what the Bible says...God is like a very good mystery novelist, and the Bible is like a mystery novel. God will say things so that way we can be surprised and shocked. At least that is what I read once on here by a very prolific poster...

Not only that - remember God was NOT surprised!

[victoryword]

now, Leon...you should know by now, that we cannot always believe what the Bible says...God is like a very good mystery novelist, and the Bible is like a mystery novel. God will say things so that way we can be surprised and shocked. At least that is what I read once on here by a very prolific poster...

The Liberals will not go that far. They will just deny that the Bible is fully inspired. They say that the Bible CONTAINS the Word of God but IS NOT ITSELF the Word of God. It was written by men and is therefore full of errors. That way they can justify all kinds anti-biblical behavior.

Now, on the other hand Chris, your statement actually fits a group of people who claim to be getting their theology from the BIble:

• "For however universal the promises of salvation may be, they are still in no respect inconsistent with the predestination of the reprobate" (John Calvin)

[victoryword]

now, Leon...you should know by now, that we cannot always believe what the Bible says...God is like a very good mystery novelist, and the Bible is like a mystery novel. God will say things so that way we can be surprised and shocked. At least that is what I read once on here by a very prolific poster...

Not only that - remember God was NOT surprised!

Now, now:

• Isaiah 59:16 (New Century Version)
  He could not find anyone to help the people,
  and he was surprised that there was no one to help.
  So he used his own power to save the people;
  his own goodness gave him strength.

Of course that's just Old Testament

[Justaned]

What do we get from this Scripture!

Genesis 18:20 And the LORD said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous;
21 I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know.

1) God can talk.
2) God has those who report to HIM what is going on on earth. (Angels)
3) God goes from place to place. (from heaven to earth and form place to place on earth)
4) The purpose in God going to Sodom and Gomorrah is to see what is going on.
5) God is checking for HIMSELF against the report that has been given to HIM. (before God destroys the cities HE must see for HIMSELF)
6) God is open to accepting the report or rejecting the report based on what HE HIMSELF sees. (Remember Angels have been known to lie)
7) God will ONLY know when he sees for HIMSELF. (THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT GOD HIMSELF SAID)

I love the simplicity of the Bible!

Read the rest of the story it never mentions God going into the city to See for HImself. Now what?

Plus verse 16 of chapter 18 implies God has already decided what He is going to do and decided to keep it from Abraham.

No I don't think this story proves anything one way or the other about God's Sovereignty or Omniscience.

[bibleman]

What do we get from this Scripture!

Genesis 18:20 And the LORD said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous;
21 I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know.

1) God can talk.
2) God has those who report to HIM what is going on on earth. (Angels)
3) God goes from place to place. (from heaven to earth and form place to place on earth)
4) The purpose in God going to Sodom and Gomorrah is to see what is going on.
5) God is checking for HIMSELF against the report that has been given to HIM. (before God destroys the cities HE must see for HIMSELF)
6) God is open to accepting the report or rejecting the report based on what HE HIMSELF sees. (Remember Angels have been known to lie)
7) God will ONLY know when he sees for HIMSELF. (THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT GOD HIMSELF SAID)

I love the simplicity of the Bible!

Read the rest of the story it never mentions God going into the city to See for HImself. Now what?

Plus verse 16 of chapter 18 implies God has already decided what He is going to do and decided to keep it from Abraham.

No I don't think this story proves anything one way or the other about God's Sovereignty or Omniscience.

Above you said: "Read the rest of the story it never mentions God going into the city to See for HImself. Now what?"

So did God lie?

21 I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know.

[Justaned]

What do we get from this Scripture!

Genesis 18:20 And the LORD said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous;
21 I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know.

1) God can talk.
2) God has those who report to HIM what is going on on earth. (Angels)
3) God goes from place to place. (from heaven to earth and form place to place on earth)
4) The purpose in God going to Sodom and Gomorrah is to see what is going on.
5) God is checking for HIMSELF against the report that has been given to HIM. (before God destroys the cities HE must see for HIMSELF)
6) God is open to accepting the report or rejecting the report based on what HE HIMSELF sees. (Remember Angels have been known to lie)
7) God will ONLY know when he sees for HIMSELF. (THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT GOD HIMSELF SAID)

I love the simplicity of the Bible!

Read the rest of the story it never mentions God going into the city to See for HImself. Now what?

Plus verse 16 of chapter 18 implies God has already decided what He is going to do and decided to keep it from Abraham.

No I don't think this story proves anything one way or the other about God's Sovereignty or Omniscience.

Above you said: "Read the rest of the story it never mentions God going into the city to See for HImself. Now what?"

So did God lie?

21 I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know.

You built the box you deal with it. I don't see a lie but evidently you do. Fact God never went into the city to "see" for HImself.

[victoryword]

What do we get from this Scripture!

Genesis 18:20 And the LORD said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous;
21 I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know.

1) God can talk.
2) God has those who report to HIM what is going on on earth. (Angels)
3) God goes from place to place. (from heaven to earth and form place to place on earth)
4) The purpose in God going to Sodom and Gomorrah is to see what is going on.
5) God is checking for HIMSELF against the report that has been given to HIM. (before God destroys the cities HE must see for HIMSELF)
6) God is open to accepting the report or rejecting the report based on what HE HIMSELF sees. (Remember Angels have been known to lie)
7) God will ONLY know when he sees for HIMSELF. (THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT GOD HIMSELF SAID)

I love the simplicity of the Bible!

Read the rest of the story it never mentions God going into the city to See for HImself. Now what?

Plus verse 16 of chapter 18 implies God has already decided what He is going to do and decided to keep it from Abraham.

No I don't think this story proves anything one way or the other about God's Sovereignty or Omniscience.

Above you said: "Read the rest of the story it never mentions God going into the city to See for HImself. Now what?"

So did God lie?

21 I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know.

Yep, looks like God said that He was going down into the city to me

But with some folks here, the Bible did not say what it said even though it plainly said it and you are wrong for saying that it said it even though you quoted exactly what it said.

[Justaned]

What do we get from this Scripture!

Genesis 18:20 And the LORD said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous;
21 I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know.

1) God can talk.
2) God has those who report to HIM what is going on on earth. (Angels)
3) God goes from place to place. (from heaven to earth and form place to place on earth)
4) The purpose in God going to Sodom and Gomorrah is to see what is going on.
5) God is checking for HIMSELF against the report that has been given to HIM. (before God destroys the cities HE must see for HIMSELF)
6) God is open to accepting the report or rejecting the report based on what HE HIMSELF sees. (Remember Angels have been known to lie)
7) God will ONLY know when he sees for HIMSELF. (THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT GOD HIMSELF SAID)

I love the simplicity of the Bible!

Read the rest of the story it never mentions God going into the city to See for HImself. Now what?

Plus verse 16 of chapter 18 implies God has already decided what He is going to do and decided to keep it from Abraham.

No I don't think this story proves anything one way or the other about God's Sovereignty or Omniscience.

Above you said: "Read the rest of the story it never mentions God going into the city to See for HImself. Now what?"

So did God lie?

21 I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know.

Yep, looks like God said that He was going down into the city to me

But with some folks here, the Bible did not say what it said even though it plainly said it and you are wrong for saying that it said it even though you quoted exactly what it said.

Never said God didn't say that, I simply said read the rest of the story. God never went and had intentions of destroying the city even before he said this to Abraham. Sounds to me like God was trying to explain to Abraham His decision process keeping it within human understanding. Nothing more nothing less.