Dake Bible Discussion Board ⇒ WOF teachers that believe in OSAS?

[bibleman]

I found this on Andrew Wommack's website.
http://www.awmi.net/extra/article/redemption

Womack is definitely OSAS.

Andrew Wommack: We don’t have to ask Jesus to forgive our sins; He’s already done it.

The Bible: If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness

Sadly, that is the staple of the hyper-grace teaching.

Just read WOE-mack...

Excuse me while I go and throw up!

[bibleman]

Anybody know about Joyce Meyers beliefs on this subject?

We can have a personal relationship with God through salvation, God's free gift to man. It is not a result of what we do, but it is only available through God's unearned favor. By admitting we have sinned and believing in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ, and accepting Him as Lord, we can spend eternity with God.

Ephesians 2:8,9; Romans 5:1; Romans 3:24 http://www.joycemeyer.org/AboutUs/WhatWeBelieve.aspx

[Rocky]

Anybody know about Joyce Meyers beliefs on this subject?

We can have a personal relationship with God through salvation, God's free gift to man. It is not a result of what we do, but it is only available through God's unearned favor. By admitting we have sinned and believing in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ, and accepting Him as Lord, we can spend eternity with God.

Ephesians 2:8,9; Romans 5:1; Romans 3:24 http://www.joycemeyer.org/AboutUs/WhatWeBelieve.aspx

Some claim she is Hyper grace and some say she is not. If she is I cannot find any quotes from her that is really all that blunt about it. Not like what we see with Wo-mack daddy.

[victoryword]

Joyce Meyer seems to be close friends with R. T. Kendall who is a Charismatic Calvinist. Not sure if the association means anything but he does come on her TV program on occasion.

[bibleman]

FRED PRICE JR DOES NOT believe in once saved always saved!

Listen at 48:00 you will hear him say that sin convicts you and you are convicted you from the Holy Spirit.

He says can't be a Christian and sinner at the same time! YEAH.

http://www.faithdome.org/echurch/weeklybroadcast.html

[bibleman]

Well just saw this...

Keith Moore is NOT hypergrace!

Here is a link to a message taught by brother Keith Moore July of 2013. The entire series by Brother Moore with the title THE WAY OUT is powerfully revealing, but I wanted to tell you about the second audio message in the series: CHRISTIAN REPENTANCE. Each message in this series will impact you as they have me, but the one on Christian Repentance was the one that first caught my attention. Please listen to the other messages in the series. They are available freely. They are anointed! Brother Moore proves by MANY New Testament Scriptures the fallacy of “no-repentance” and “no-confession of sins” as taught in the "grace only" (perverted grace teaching) movement. He also addresses the “once-saved-always-saved” doctrine. It is eye opening. He taught this series of messages at the sister church of Faith Life Church in Sarasota, Florida during July, August, and September of this year. Here is the link in case the above link on Christian Repentance did not work for you. Just copy and paste it into your browser. http://www.flcmedia.org/FLCSarasota/MP3 ... 1Audio.mp3

http://danrodriguezpodcasts.podbean.com ... epentance/

This is GREAT at 19:00 he says people are distorting the message of grace.

Jude 1:4 (NLT) 4 I say this because some ungodly people have wormed their way into your churches, saying that God’s marvelous grace allows us to live immoral lives. The condemnation of such people was recorded long ago, for they have denied our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.

Jude 1:4 (TEV) 4 For some godless people have slipped in unnoticed among us, persons who distort the message about the grace of our God in order to excuse their immoral ways, and who reject Jesus Christ, our only Master and Lord. Long ago the Scriptures predicted the condemnation they have received.

At 24:00 he calls what is being done as a "perversion" of the message of grace.

At 28:00 Grace does NOT teach lack of restraint or rebellion as some are saying. He makes fun of those who say they are not under the law and just want to sin and then do anything they want to do because they say they are free to sin!

Jude 1:3 (WuestNT) 3 Divinely loved ones, when giving every diligence to be writing to you concerning the salvation possessed in common by all of us, I had constraint laid upon me to write to you, beseeching you to contend with intensity and determination for the Faith once for all entrusted into the safe-keeping of the saints. For certain men entered surreptitiously who were of old predicted with reference to this judgment, men destitute of reverential awe towards God, perverting the grace of our God into moral anarchy and lack of self-restraint, and denying the only absolute Master, even our Lord Jesus Christ.

At 34:00 He talks about the need to repent and the false teaching that Christians do NOT need to repent!

At 36:00 He states we are NOT saved by grace alone! Since God paid for all sins then if there is NOTHING to do then all would be saved. He then goes on to say OUR faith must be put in the grace of God.

At 43:00 he says 2 ways to be free from condemnation. 1) By the Blood of Jesus and 2) by walking in the light that you have from the Word and the Spirit. You must do what you know to do he tells us... That is where repentance comes in!

At 48:00 The perversion of the message of grace is we are saved no matter what we do!

At 50:00 Keith tells that he believes you can be eternally secure as long as you want to! But to say you can do anything you want to do and still be saved - NO!

Note: On July 2nd of 2014 at the Southwest Believers Convention I just noticed that tow speakers will be back to back!

SPEAKER SCHEDULE
2014 Southwest Believers' Convention
July 2, 2014
9:00 am Jerry Savelle
10:30 am Kenneth Copeland
2:00 pm Keith Moore
3:00 pm Creflo A. Dollar
6:15 pm ** Pre-service Prayer w/ Terri Copeland Pearsons
7:00 pm Jesse Duplantis

I wonder how that is going to work?

[victoryword]

Time to add "Moore Life MInistries" to my list of recommended ministries. Lord knows that I have had to take a few of them off of my list which is sad. However, I cannot lead people to listen to preachers that can effect their eternal destiny for the worse.