Dake Bible Discussion Board ⇒ Tithers are Better Off!

[davido]

The more we give to God the more we are blessed.
Whether to titth or give a percent be it 10% or other
being led of The Spirit whom to give and what to give
it is true the more we give to God the more we are blessed.
That does not make teaching tithing of which only the
big herdsmen and grain growers gave 10%.

We can give 10% not calling it the tithe thus not being
quilty of misrepresenting the word too.

During the millenium according to Dake the tithe in
Israel will be practiced. A good examplly but lets
not foster false teaching to justify that giving
more to God does indeed receive more in return.
It is not the giving or the percent but the tithe
is not appropriate teaching.

Nonetheleess the more we give to God the more we receive back.
Thats does not justify the teaching on tithing.

[branham1965]

davido
you do you realise that Reverend Dake TAUGHT TITHING IS FOR BELIEVERS TODAY???

The more we give to God the more we are blessed.
Whether to titth or give a percent be it 10% or other
being led of The Spirit whom to give and what to give
it is true the more we give to God the more we are blessed.
That does not make teaching tithing of which only the
big herdsmen and grain growers gave 10%.

We can give 10% not calling it the tithe thus not being
quilty of misrepresenting the word too.

During the millenium according to Dake the tithe in
Israel will be practiced. A good examplly but lets
not foster false teaching to justify that giving
more to God does indeed receive more in return.
It is not the giving or the percent but the tithe
is not appropriate teaching.

Nonetheleess the more we give to God the more we receive back.
Thats does not justify the teaching on tithing.

[bibleman]

The more we give to God the more we are blessed.
Whether to titth or give a percent be it 10% or other
being led of The Spirit whom to give and what to give
it is true the more we give to God the more we are blessed.
That does not make teaching tithing of which only the
big herdsmen and grain growers gave 10%.

We can give 10% not calling it the tithe thus not being
quilty of misrepresenting the word too.

During the millenium according to Dake the tithe in
Israel will be practiced. A good examplly but lets
not foster false teaching to justify that giving
more to God does indeed receive more in return.
It is not the giving or the percent but the tithe
is not appropriate teaching.

Nonetheleess the more we give to God the more we receive back.
Thats does not justify the teaching on tithing.

Hi davido.

Do you have any Scripture for your opinions?

[davido]

How do they distinguish those whom give 10% versus those whom
tithe?

They do not show their methodology or source of information.

Why are not their asssets in the millions and why do they
have any debt, and why do they have to have a car payment
rather than just buy a vehicle outright. Giving what the
Spirit directs does better.

[davido]

branham1965

Re: Tithers are Better Off!
Sun Apr 14, 2013 8:50 am by branham1965
davido
you do you realise that Reverend Dake TAUGHT TITHING IS FOR BELIEVERS TODAY???

I will not be judeged by Dake but Jesus Christ.

I worked since I was eleven years old.
Won my first legal case at 13 years old.
thru all those years I never lied, forged documents,
nor robbed people.
I reported management for taking away benefits
from workers whom were paying for those benefits
and I was not discliplined, but rather in the end
management corrected the system due to my
report.

I was on a position where I was to forge documents
that would place unsafe vehicles into the system,
causing possible loss of life
and my job was abolished losing $500 a month.
I would rather have a financial loss due to
resistant not to cheat than to carry around the
knowledge I forged docuemts and do not tell
me that God would have me forge documents.

But God has more than restored my blessings, not just money,
far greater than those whom swindled, lied, forged
documents.

When I am before the second judgement I will
not be judged by Dake, but Jesus Christ.

Why lie, when you can give 10%, 20% or less
than that if you're directed by The Spirit so to do.
I tell you, theres more blessing of greater important
than money. How many tithers have seen their
crown of righteousness?
The word of God has many blessings for the
uncomprimising righteous. If I just lusted
after money, I can assure you, it is easy
to come by quite legally if you want to
live for money alone.
The bible states that an evil man will someday
take a great fall. Of all those whom statistically
gained, it does not show their premature demise.

For me to teach tithing I would have to blackline
most of proverbs. I cannot sin agaisnt the word
of God and won't start now as one lie turns in to
yet another and another lie. I cannot knowing
the truth about tithing propagate something
that is not the truth. I can and have given at times
more than 10%,but lieing for money is not everything.
I am and will not be a thief, teach false doctrine
nor practice false doctrine. There are others
verses in the bible that the more one gives
the more they are blessed. One doesn't have
to propagate false teaching to be blessed.
According to the chart, the tithers are not that
well blessed. Messing with the word of God
is serious stuff.

[davido]

branham1965

Re: Tithers are Better Off!
Sun Apr 14, 2013 8:50 am by branham1965
davido
you do you realise that Reverend Dake TAUGHT TITHING IS FOR BELIEVERS TODAY???

I will not be judeged by Dake but Jesus Christ.

I worked since I was eleven years old.
Won my first legal case at 13 years old.
thru all those years I never lied, forged documents,
nor robbed people.
I reported management for taking away benefits
from workers whom were paying for those benefits
and I was not discliplined, but rather in the end
management corrected the system due to my
report.

I was on a position where I was to forge documents
that would place unsafe vehicles into the system,
causing possible loss of life
and my job was abolished losing $500 a month.
I would rather have a financial loss due to
resistant not to cheat than to carry around the
knowledge I forged docuemts and do not tell
me that God would have me forge documents.

But God has more than restored my blessings, not just money,
far greater than those whom swindled, lied, forged
documents.

When I am before the second judgement I will
not be judged by Dake, but Jesus Christ.

Why lie, when you can give 10%, 20% or less
than that if you're directed by The Spirit so to do.
I tell you, theres more blessing of greater important
than money. How many tithers have seen their
crown of righteousness?
The word of God has many blessings for the
uncomprimising righteous. If I just lusted
after money, I can assure you, it is easy
to come by quite legally if you want to
live for money alone.
The bible states that an evil man will someday
take a great fall. Of all those whom statistically
gained, it does not show their premature demise.

For me to teach tithing I would have to blackline
most of proverbs. I cannot sin agaisnt the word
of God and won't start now as one lie turns in to
yet another and another lie. I cannot knowing
the truth about tithing propagate something
that is not the truth. I can and have given at times
more than 10%,but lieing for money is not everything.
I am and will not be a thief, teach false doctrine
nor practice false doctrine. There are others
verses in the bible that the more one gives
the more they are blessed. One doesn't have
to propagate false teaching to be blessed.
According to the chart, the tithers are not that
well blessed. Messing with the word of God
is serious stuff.

[davido]

bibleman: Hi davido.

Do you have any Scripture for your opinions?

We had previous discussion going thru the entire tithing
of Israel, those who did tithe, whom the livestock or grain
was given by, to whom it was given for temple and
aparrantly you did not read.
Under the tithing all debts were forgiven every 7 years
and there were feasts by the priests.
anyone whom has the bible can easily see the tithe
was suspended and will be restored for Israel in the milinium.
The tithe was for Israel. I am not oppoed to giving
any particulair amount, but calling it the tithe
in the gentile church is simply a lie.
Wh not just say you give 10%, which is okay,
but 10% is not the fixed amount. Why too
is The Holy Spirit not sought as to whom and
what amount to give? Did not Jesus give us
the comforter for such things?
So bibleman we have in the past in great length
gone thru the scripture and thsoe bent on preaching
tithing did not read.

[branham1965]

Years ago a teaching came along to the Body of Christ that we are to be with our so called "soul mates".
People who disliked their marriage partners just left their children and husbands or wives DESTROYED THEIR HOMES AND INNOCENT LIVES and found their soul mates.They actually tried to put the stamp of the Holy Spirit on it.
They were deceived.


God says He will send us strong delusion to believe a lie and be DAMNED.....IF WE REJECT THE TRUTH OF HIS SPIRIT FOUND IN HIS HOLY LOGOS=WRITTEN WORD.ANY RHEMA WORDS WE RECEIVE MUST ALIGN WITH THE LOGOS=THE BIBLE OR BE JUDGED AS FROM ANOTHER SPIRIT ALTOGETHER!!!!!

As the great Smith Wigglesworth said the Spirit will never lead any person out out line with the Word of God.

God says the 10%% is His.

People say it is not.

Let let God be true Romans 3:4.

[Justaned]

As the great Smith Wigglesworth said the Spirit will never lead any person out out line with the Word of God.

God says the 10%% is His.

People say it is not.

Let let God be true Romans 3:4.

Billy
It is not matter of giving, to be a good steward you must give, to be a responsible person you have to pay your way. So I agree we are to give.

When God said 10% was His, God also said said give it only to a consecrated Levit Priest. God was also talking to people that had lived hundreds of years in slavery, in a dog eat dog enviroment, people that had no concept of giving or stewardship.

The tithe was viewed as tax to be paid by the people and they did it, it was part of the LAW! Because it was 10% it was defined as a tithe.

However giving of 10% was known to society before this. We see Abraham paying tribute to Melchizedek by giving him 10% of his captured spoils of war.

Now we move forward Jesus said He fulfilled the LAW, that we as Christians were no longer under the LAW. Jesus never said the truths of the LAWS did not pertain to us, just that we weren't governed by LAW.

Jesus taught stewardship that all we have is what God gives us and that God expects us to be good stewards. That we are support the widows and orphans, that we are help those in need, that if we can we are even give 50% in certian needs.

New Testament scripture says the only valid reason to give is to bless others and to worship but not because we are compiled to. Stewardship says to give where you see a need not because someone wants to tell you how much to give or who to give it to. Worship must come from the heart not as act of meaning some imposed goal or amount.

The LAW of Titheing that so many wants to place Christians under fails to mention the whole law, to give it to consecrated Levit priests they only talk of the 10% part.

And then what do they want to spend it on? To feed orphans and widows or to buy something they want.

If church leadership want to put their people under the law of tithing then they should set the example and give the first 10% of everything they get to widows, orphans, missionaries. This is in addition to the any offering that comes into the church specifying widows and orphans and missions giving. This is the first 10% of the tithe or general fund money along with any specified for the the other things. They should give 10% of the building fund money, general giving, and any special. When you see that happen they you will find a church that REALLY beleives in TITHING.

Many claim they give more than 10% but this is only money designated as Benevolence, you never see them give 10% of the money designated to building, or to the general fund. No that is their money but they will stand and preach at you about your money and paying 10% of the first fruits even going down to income tax refunds.

I tell you they will stand before God one day and it won't be pretty.

[davido]

branham1965
Dakes teaches tithing? Not really.

Dakes Plan for man
Asking and receiving Chapter 16.

Dakes never mentions tithing as a condition.
Too report Dake preaches tithng is not true.
If Dake truly delived that tithing was essential it would be in GPFM Chapter 16, but its not.

I will stay loyal to The Comforter that Jesus sent.
Dakes says one must be Spirit filled, thus I will be led of The Spirit
and not stray into false doctine. If the Spirit can bless me in
all things, then He too would be the one to direct giving
as wel. I do not take off the robe of The Spirit filled believer
and put on the robe of a Levite only when it comes to giving.
To me that would be not knowing the differance in right and wrong.
I will in all circumstances have Jesus Christ as my Lord and Saviour
giving full recognition to The Holy Spirit in all matters not having
mlti-gods.
1 Corinthians 9: 7-14:
Paul does not partake in tithing because it would hinder the gospel of Christ.
For those that would hinder the gospel of Jesus Christ, there is no
justification for followin a Levitical preiest when I already have
Jesus Christ as my priest.
Hbr 7:5 And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:
Your church does not come from the loins of Abraham.

How things would be if the Holy Spirit were to direct to whom and
how much one should give to God.

As Paul suggests man being able to be rid the money chagers in the temple. again we see them amerge in the NT quite a parabox of beliefs. what happened to the new priest and the witness of The Holy Spirit?

The data on the graph does not show the methodology not the source of data,
thus likely too is that those whom do not tithe are included in the results, but
rather those whom give under the unction of The Spirit are attributed to being
tithers as would too perhaps be scientoligits, athiests, and others of eastern
religions. Any graph in the economic arena always show their sorces and methodology,
of which we see here not so. The love of money, being more preferable to the
gospel of Jesus Christ as Paul states is the motive. The Holy Spirit that came
when Jesus accended is fully capable of witnessing to any Christian where and
how much one is to give. We need not entertain false doctrine to qualify for
the blessing as Mr. Dake expounds on in Chapter 16 of Dakes 'Gods plan for man'.
If Dake in another context were to expound on tithing in the NT church, then
that woud cast some doubt on DPFM Chapter 6 would it not?
Basically the theme is:
"When it comes to money, people get funny"
If the heart of man did it in the temple, they too will do it over and over if given
a change to discrecit the gospel of Jesus Christ for the love of money. And thats exactly why Jesus
did not preach tithing, nor pracetice such, and the apostles did not teach tithing nor make such a practice. If it happened once, it will happen again and Jesus response will be repeatedly the same
only next time it will be at ones judgement. "Go from me, I never knew you".

All those teaching tithing are doing is replacing
the money changers of the temple, Jesus threw out.

Thus if you're concerned about the tithe, why are you not
enforcing all the rules of the tithe and other Levitical laws?
That doesn't make sense does it?
The reason Abraham gave a tenth was because of God's deliverance from his enemies. We would call this tenth, "a thank offering". Tithing was never a part of the Abrahamic covenant.

Abraham did not give tithe to Melchizedek from his personal possessions but from the spoils of war after rescuing Lot. Therefore we can see that Abraham was not following an unwritten tithe law when he gave tithe to the King of Salem. And besides, the Levitical tithe law did not include "spoils of war." Tithing was not a part of the Abrahamic covenant. See, Gen 17.

Before the King of Salem incident and after, there is no record of Abraham, a very wealthy man ever paying tithe of his own personal possessions to God.

I cannot imagine any blessings being better than what The Holy
Spirit has done for me. I am most blessed among men having
The Holy Spirits works on my behalf in all things. Too
the blessings of The Holy Spirit are far more than just money.
Why take a part of the blessings when you can have more
blessing from The Holy Spirit and being obdedient to Jesus
Christ recognissing and accepting The Holy Spirit. To
in one moment be led of the Spirit and in the next moment
to pay tribute to the old priest of Israel is a divided doctrine
having a multi-god of which we have but one priest, Jesus Christ.