Dake Bible Discussion Board ⇒ HE WHO HINDERS

[branham1965]

THE bizarre idea that God is dumber than man or the devil is promoted by the devil.
people cannot begin to fathom God.His attributes and character never conflicts.but He is Jehovah.In Gen 18 He was coming down to check out Sodom. a few chapters before He knew the nations were going to cross the deadline and be doomed. trying to mentally understand God or spiritual truths results in He warns man about this.
YES God through Providence and the intercessions of His people saved the World in 1945.MANY saints in Britain fasted and prayed for Germany to be beaten.
the Russians beat the brakes of the Krauts.as did our troops and the Allies.

Now that I think about it Hitler is a perfect example of what I think is divine intervention hindered Hitler.

Hitler unexplicitably divided his forces by opening two major fronts.
Hitler so enraged with Russia basically made his troops cannon fodder.
Hitler joined with Japan declaring war with the US.
Germany mistakenly bombed civilian targets in England thus launching the civilian bombing raids of WW2

Experts basically agree had Hitler not done some of these things Europe and quite possibly all the world woud now be speaking German. That is very subjective. Be that as it may I can see God's hand in each, very similar to how God dealt with various unrigtheous kingdoms and kings in the Old Testament.

As a restrainer the church really isn't up to the task, restraint of the Antichrist has to be on a spiritual level. Now I can believe the prayers of the saints may strengthen or encourage that restrainer but to actually be a restraint no.

It takes spiritual deception to restrain, delusion and often times mental instability all of which a spiritual being would be required.

Take America from it founding to about the late 60's the church was the moral compass. But that compass began to break down in the 1900's with the rise of prosperity in the nation. We had mobs, prohibition, rum runners, then free love, open marriages, rise of homosexuality, same sex marriage, drug abuse, prostitution, elict sex, pedophila, sex slave trade, drive by shootings, criminals using young kids to kill because they get lighter sentences, school shootings, steep rise in divorce, turn key kids, corruption in the church, the church and Christianity iself the blunt of many jokes on TV and Movies, pornography, nudity and cursing in our movies and on TV and Radio.
The church is no longer the even the strong moral compass it once was.

The church is not the restrainer, it is my belief the only thing that could restrain Satan from loosing his Antichrist upon the world is a spiritual being opposing Satan in the heavenlies. I believe it is the same type of force that caused Hitler to make so many obvious mistakes.

[macca]

Billy wrote, YES God through Providence and the intercessions of His people saved the World in 1945. MANY saints in Britain fasted and prayed for Germany to be beaten.
the Russians beat the brakes of the Krauts.as did our troops and the Allies.

Billy, perhaps you didn't hear that WW II resulted communism spread from eastern Europe to the Pacific with thousands of atomic war headed missiles pointed at us for the next67 years and China now threatening to take over the world in 10 or 20 years. Hitler was elected to eliminate this threat and to right the wrongs of Versailles. Socialist Roosevelt chose to side with the Reds and the rest is history. 100 million people were killed by these communists after the war. Most Jews were sworn enemies of the National Socialist Regime and were put into concentration camps much like we put the Japanese into concentration camps. The so-called Holocaust is greatly exaggerated by our Jewish media if it even happened at all.

[branham1965]

dolphenjugend,
General Patton knew we were going to have to fight the Russians.General Douglas MacArthur personally decorated my Grandfather.
AND i am very aware of what your views are. i like to play the lackey.you learn more that way.
YOU JUST DENIED BEFORE THE GOD OF HEAVEN AND THIS BIBLE BOARD THE JEWISH HOLOCAUST AND THE BRUTAL MURDER OF MILLIONS OF INNOCENT JEWS WHO WERE DESTROYED IN THE DEATH CAMPS!!!!!!!
WHAT IS YOUR RESPONSE TO THIS?????

Billy wrote, YES God through Providence and the intercessions of His people saved the World in 1945. MANY saints in Britain fasted and prayed for Germany to be beaten.
the Russians beat the brakes of the Krauts.as did our troops and the Allies.

Billy, perhaps you didn't hear that WW II resulted communism spread from eastern Europe to the Pacific with thousands of atomic war headed missiles pointed at us for the next67 years and China now threatening to take over the world in 10 or 20 years. Hitler was elected to eliminate this threat and to right the wrongs of Versailles. Socialist Roosevelt chose to side with the Reds and the rest is history. 100 million people were killed by these communists after the war. Most Jews were sworn enemies of the National Socialist Regime and were put into concentration camps much like we put the Japanese into concentration camps. The so-called Holocaust is greatly exaggerated by our Jewish media if it even happened at all.

[branham1965]

OUR SUPREME COURT CATHOLIC TOO!!!!ILL BET ROME IS BEHIND THOSE JEWS IN THERE.
MY FAMILY IS EASTER ORTHODOX WE ARE RUSSIAN.

William, the Zionists brought the United States into WW I in return for the Balfour Declaration when the war was virtually over and in a stalemate. After the war was over the Allies blamed Germany for starting the war when the Kaiser had been the last to declare war and had begged his cousin Nicky, the Czar, to demobilize his troops from the Russian border. Billy, you have to always remember that our news media is virtually all Jewish. Is that right? Is it right that our Supreme Court is all Jewish and Catholic?

[Justaned]

Let us get back on track.
The discussion is He Who Hinders.

WW2 was introduced to saw how God restrained the antichrist like Hitler from winning the war. Hitler made blunders that had to be providence or God and I choose God.

Likewise I believe God is the restraint behind what is Hindering the Antichrist today. I further more believe it has to be a spirit hinderance.
I don't see that there is anyway possible for the church as it is today to be that hinderance.

[branham1965]

what REVED no comment about the HOLOCAUST BEING FICTION????
i overdid it on Reuben the other day.my stupidity and flattery were sincere but im an idiot.a mule.a jackarse.
not that it matters but i think you and Scott are just as good as he is or better.i just...sighs.
no comments on the Holocaust being a Holohoax!!!!!

Let us get back on track.
The discussion is He Who Hinders.

WW2 was introduced to saw how God restrained the antichrist like Hitler from winning the war. Hitler made blunders that had to be providence or God and I choose God.

Likewise I believe God is the restraint behind what is Hindering the Antichrist today. I further more believe it has to be a spirit hinderance.
I don't see that there is anyway possible for the church as it is today to be that hinderance.

[Justaned]

what REVED no comment about the HOLOCAUST BEING FICTION????
i overdid it on Reuben the other day.my stupidity and flattery were sincere but im an idiot.a mule.a jackarse.
not that it matters but i think you and Scott are just as good as he is or better.i just...sighs.
no comments on the Holocaust being a Holohoax!!!!!

Let us get back on track.
The discussion is He Who Hinders.

WW2 was introduced to saw how God restrained the antichrist like Hitler from winning the war. Hitler made blunders that had to be providence or God and I choose God.

Likewise I believe God is the restraint behind what is Hindering the Antichrist today. I further more believe it has to be a spirit hinderance.
I don't see that there is anyway possible for the church as it is today to be that hinderance.

Billy
Eisenhower who was no prophet predicted man would deny the Holocaust. Why because to admit to it man has to admit of sin that dwells within his flesh.
For the reason more than points of evidence were preserved to prove the Holocaust.
Does it surprise you that some would ignore such evidence, knowing they reject the the whole of scripture only to believe the parts they like?

[Justaned]

Let us get back on track.
The discussion is He Who Hinders.

WW2 was introduced to saw how God restrained the antichrist like Hitler from winning the war. Hitler made blunders that had to be providence or God and I choose God.

Likewise I believe God is the restraint behind what is Hindering the Antichrist today. I further more believe it has to be a spirit hinderance.
I don't see that there is anyway possible for the church as it is today to be that hinderance.

The 'he" can't be God because God will not "be taken out of the way", as Dr. Dake makes clear. God is ever present, even during the tribulation.

I said God is the restraint behind that which is hindering and that I thought the hinderance was spiritual and something other than church.
Personally I think the Antichrist is something Islamic in nature and I believe it is being restrainted by the Angel assigned to restrain it.

Or it could be something scientific in nature (something meant to deceive, something that will fool even the elect) that is being restrained from either discovery or announcement by a spiritual being. Imagine if science could ever produce something that looked like they created life, or proof that aliens were involved with the event of Exodus. Our society would break down within weeks. Most churches would be empty overnight and turmoil would prevail.

Then imagine someone that claimed to be from God stepped up right before the world self imploded and proved it wrong or that he seemingly was the actual power.

He would be worshipped and given total power, and even the very elect would begin to question their religion. But before everyone departed from the faith Jesus would return and put an end to all the heresy.

Again to think it is the church is to think highly of man, but more importantly it seems to support a rapture that all of us would rather happen than to go through what Revelation tells us is ahead.

The problem is scripture tells us our "Blessed Hope" is the faith in the Second Coming of Christ not in the Rapture of the Church which most Dispensationalist/Futuristics have made it.

[bibleman]

Let us get back on track.
The discussion is He Who Hinders.

WW2 was introduced to saw how God restrained the antichrist like Hitler from winning the war. Hitler made blunders that had to be providence or God and I choose God.

Likewise I believe God is the restraint behind what is Hindering the Antichrist today. I further more believe it has to be a spirit hinderance.
I don't see that there is anyway possible for the church as it is today to be that hinderance.

The 'he" can't be God because God will not "be taken out of the way", as Dr. Dake makes clear. God is ever present, even during the tribulation.

I said God is the restraint behind that which is hindering and that I thought the hinderance was spiritual and something other than church.
Personally I think the Antichrist is something Islamic in nature and I believe it is being restrainted by the Angel assigned to restrain it.

Or it could be something scientific in nature (something meant to deceive, something that will fool even the elect) that is being restrained from either discovery or announcement by a spiritual being. Imagine if science could ever produce something that looked like they created life, or proof that aliens were involved with the event of Exodus. Our society would break down within weeks. Most churches would be empty overnight and turmoil would prevail.

Then imagine someone that claimed to be from God stepped up right before the world self imploded and proved it wrong or that he seemingly was the actual power.

He would be worshipped and given total power, and even the very elect would begin to question their religion. But before everyone departed from the faith Jesus would return and put an end to all the heresy.

Again to think it is the church is to think highly of man, but more importantly it seems to support a rapture that all of us would rather happen than to go through what Revelation tells us is ahead.

The problem is scripture tells us our "Blessed Hope" is the faith in the Second Coming of Christ not in the Rapture of the Church which most Dispensationalist/Futuristics have made it.

Hi Ed,

Above you stated: "The problem is scripture tells us our "Blessed Hope" is the faith in the Second Coming of Christ not in the Rapture of the Church..."

That statement is contrary to the Statement of Faith of the Assemblies of God.

WE BELIEVE...in The Blessed Hope—When Jesus Raptures His Church Prior to His Return to Earth (the second coming). At this future moment in time all believers who have died will rise from their graves and will meet the Lord in the air, and Christians who are alive will be caught up with them, to be with the Lord forever. [1 of 4 cardinal doctrines of the AG] http://ag.org/top/Beliefs/Statement_of_ ... _short.cfm

Do you disagree with the Assemblies of God position on the Blessed Hope?

[Justaned]

Let us get back on track.
The discussion is He Who Hinders.

WW2 was introduced to saw how God restrained the antichrist like Hitler from winning the war. Hitler made blunders that had to be providence or God and I choose God.

Likewise I believe God is the restraint behind what is Hindering the Antichrist today. I further more believe it has to be a spirit hinderance.
I don't see that there is anyway possible for the church as it is today to be that hinderance.

The 'he" can't be God because God will not "be taken out of the way", as Dr. Dake makes clear. God is ever present, even during the tribulation.

I said God is the restraint behind that which is hindering and that I thought the hinderance was spiritual and something other than church.
Personally I think the Antichrist is something Islamic in nature and I believe it is being restrainted by the Angel assigned to restrain it.

Or it could be something scientific in nature (something meant to deceive, something that will fool even the elect) that is being restrained from either discovery or announcement by a spiritual being. Imagine if science could ever produce something that looked like they created life, or proof that aliens were involved with the event of Exodus. Our society would break down within weeks. Most churches would be empty overnight and turmoil would prevail.

Then imagine someone that claimed to be from God stepped up right before the world self imploded and proved it wrong or that he seemingly was the actual power.

He would be worshipped and given total power, and even the very elect would begin to question their religion. But before everyone departed from the faith Jesus would return and put an end to all the heresy.

Again to think it is the church is to think highly of man, but more importantly it seems to support a rapture that all of us would rather happen than to go through what Revelation tells us is ahead.

The problem is scripture tells us our "Blessed Hope" is the faith in the Second Coming of Christ not in the Rapture of the Church which most Dispensationalist/Futuristics have made it.

Hi Ed,

Above you stated: "The problem is scripture tells us our "Blessed Hope" is the faith in the Second Coming of Christ not in the Rapture of the Church..."

That statement is contrary to the Statement of Faith of the Assemblies of God.

WE BELIEVE...in The Blessed Hope—When Jesus Raptures His Church Prior to His Return to Earth (the second coming). At this future moment in time all believers who have died will rise from their graves and will meet the Lord in the air, and Christians who are alive will be caught up with them, to be with the Lord forever. [1 of 4 cardinal doctrines of the AG] http://ag.org/top/Beliefs/Statement_of_ ... _short.cfm

Do you disagree with the Assemblies of God position on the Blessed Hope?

I was discussing what scripture said. What wrote scripture? Who wrote AG doctrine? Why is the questions even being asked? Do you still harbor that root of bitterness over not being an AG ordained preacher?