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bibleman wrote:Been a lot of UN-Scriptural comments on the board of late - so I just thought I would set the record straight.
Daniel’s 70 Weeks (Dan. 9:24-27) - The expression “70 weeks’ literally means 70 sevens of years. If days were meant it would be so expressed, as in Dan. 10:3. Daniel’s prayer, to which this vision was an answer, did not concern days, but years (Dan. 9:2). Also, we know from Scripture that the last week (Dan. 9:27) is divided into two parts of 3½ years each (Dan. 7:25; 12:7; Rev. 11:2-3; 12:5, 14; 13:5). The whole period of 490 years is marked off from all other years and concern only “thy people [Israel] and thy holy city [Jerusalem],” for which Daniel was praying (Dan. 6:10; 9:1-23). There are six prophetic events to take place during these 490 years relative to Israel and Jerusalem, for six purposes:

1. To Finish the Transgression - The Hebrew word for “transgression” here is pasha`. It means “to revolt, rebel, or sin against lawful authority.” It is often translated “transgression” (Ps. 51:13; Isa. 43:27). This transgression has reference to Israel in her rebellion against God. This prophecy foretells the culmination of that rebellion. The law was added because of transgression until the Seed should come, and it served as a schoolmaster to lead Israel to Christ (Gal. 3:17-25). Israel failed to receive their Messiah so they were broken off in unbelief from God’s favor as a nation. They will not be received again fully until the Second Coming of Christ, who will “turn ungodliness from Jacob” and cause a nation to be born again at once (Rom. 11:25-29; Isa. 66:7-10; Ezek. 36:24-30; Zech. 12:10–13:1).

2. To Make an End of Sins - Israel’s sins, if collected as concrete matter, would fill the earth. She has been in rebellion against God from her beginning and she will continue in this state until the fulfillment of this prophecy at the return of Christ. This “end of sins” will not be made until after the tribulation, but from that time on Israel will obey God forever (Ezek. 36:24-30; 37:24-27; 43:7; Zech. 14:1-21).

3. To Make Atonement for Iniquity - The Hebrew word for “iniquity” is `avon and means “perverseness, to be crooked, or wrung out of course” (1 Sam. 20:30; 2 Sam. 19:19; Job 33:33). Atonement was made on the cross for the whole world, but Israel as a nation has not yet appropriated its benefits and won’t do so until Christ’s return (Zech. 13:1-7; Rom. 11:25-27; Isa. 66:7-8).

4. To Bring in Everlasting Righteousness - When the transgression has been finished, an end of sins made, and the full benefits of the atonement will have been realized by Israel, then everlasting righteousness will be ushered in (Isa. 9:6-7; 12:1-6; Dan. 7:13-14, 18, 27; Mt. 25:31-46; Ezek. 43:7; Rom. 11:25-29).

5. To Seal up the Vision and Prophecy - This means to make an end of certain prophecies concerning Israel and Jerusalem. The word “prophecy” should be translated “prophet,” as elsewhere. It means that there will be no further need of inspired men to rebuke Israel in an attempt to lead them into the way of righteousness “for all shall know the Lord from the least unto the greatest” (Jer. 31:31-40; Isa. 11:9).

6. To Anoint the Most Holy - This refers to the cleansing of the Holy of Holies, the temple, and the city of Jerusalem from the abomination of desolation and the sacrilege of Gentiles, and to the establishment and anointing of the Millennial temple of Ezek. 40-43, which is yet to be built by Christ at His Second Advent (Zech. 6:12-13).

Not one of the six events above has been fulfilled as yet concerning Israel and Jerusalem. They must be fulfilled in the future in the 70th Week (the last seven years of this age) between the rapture and the Second Advent. They will parallel the seven-year covenant made between Antichrist and Israel (Dan. 9:27; Mt. 24:15-22). The seven-year period will be the time when all the events of Mt. 24:4-31; 25:31-46; Rev. 4:1–19:21 will be fulfilled, and when the whole seven-year tribulation will run its course. What is to happen during this Week was not revealed to Daniel in detail, but it was made known to John in Rev. 4:1–19:21. Other details were revealed by Jesus in Mt. 24:4-31; 25:31-46; Lk. 21:1-11, 25-36. This Week of years will begin after the rapture of the Church and continue to the Second Advent. The present Church Age comes in between the 69th and 70th Weeks, or between Israel’s rejection as a nation (Mt. 23:37-39; Rom. 9-11) and her conversion as a nation at the Second Advent of Christ (Isa. 66:7-8; Zech. 12:10–13:1; Rom. 11:25-29). Finis J. Dake, The Rapture and the Second Coming of Christ, (Lawrenceville, GA: Dake Publishing, Inc., 1998), WORDsearch CROSS e-book, 13.
There is no way to be able to elaborate on this, very good and very sound.



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Re: A breath of sound doctrine concerning Daniel's 70 Weeks

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bibleman wrote:Been a lot of UN-Scriptural comments on the board of late - so I just thought I would set the record straight.
Daniel’s 70 Weeks (Dan. 9:24-27) - The expression “70 weeks’ literally means 70 sevens of years. If days were meant it would be so expressed, as in Dan. 10:3. Daniel’s prayer, to which this vision was an answer, did not concern days, but years (Dan. 9:2). Also, we know from Scripture that the last week (Dan. 9:27) is divided into two parts of 3½ years each (Dan. 7:25; 12:7; Rev. 11:2-3; 12:5, 14; 13:5). The whole period of 490 years is marked off from all other years and concern only “thy people [Israel] and thy holy city [Jerusalem],” for which Daniel was praying (Dan. 6:10; 9:1-23). There are six prophetic events to take place during these 490 years relative to Israel and Jerusalem, for six purposes:

1. To Finish the Transgression - The Hebrew word for “transgression” here is pasha`. It means “to revolt, rebel, or sin against lawful authority.” It is often translated “transgression” (Ps. 51:13; Isa. 43:27). This transgression has reference to Israel in her rebellion against God. This prophecy foretells the culmination of that rebellion. The law was added because of transgression until the Seed should come, and it served as a schoolmaster to lead Israel to Christ (Gal. 3:17-25). Israel failed to receive their Messiah so they were broken off in unbelief from God’s favor as a nation. They will not be received again fully until the Second Coming of Christ, who will “turn ungodliness from Jacob” and cause a nation to be born again at once (Rom. 11:25-29; Isa. 66:7-10; Ezek. 36:24-30; Zech. 12:10–13:1).

2. To Make an End of Sins - Israel’s sins, if collected as concrete matter, would fill the earth. She has been in rebellion against God from her beginning and she will continue in this state until the fulfillment of this prophecy at the return of Christ. This “end of sins” will not be made until after the tribulation, but from that time on Israel will obey God forever (Ezek. 36:24-30; 37:24-27; 43:7; Zech. 14:1-21).

3. To Make Atonement for Iniquity - The Hebrew word for “iniquity” is `avon and means “perverseness, to be crooked, or wrung out of course” (1 Sam. 20:30; 2 Sam. 19:19; Job 33:33). Atonement was made on the cross for the whole world, but Israel as a nation has not yet appropriated its benefits and won’t do so until Christ’s return (Zech. 13:1-7; Rom. 11:25-27; Isa. 66:7-8).

4. To Bring in Everlasting Righteousness - When the transgression has been finished, an end of sins made, and the full benefits of the atonement will have been realized by Israel, then everlasting righteousness will be ushered in (Isa. 9:6-7; 12:1-6; Dan. 7:13-14, 18, 27; Mt. 25:31-46; Ezek. 43:7; Rom. 11:25-29).

5. To Seal up the Vision and Prophecy - This means to make an end of certain prophecies concerning Israel and Jerusalem. The word “prophecy” should be translated “prophet,” as elsewhere. It means that there will be no further need of inspired men to rebuke Israel in an attempt to lead them into the way of righteousness “for all shall know the Lord from the least unto the greatest” (Jer. 31:31-40; Isa. 11:9).

6. To Anoint the Most Holy - This refers to the cleansing of the Holy of Holies, the temple, and the city of Jerusalem from the abomination of desolation and the sacrilege of Gentiles, and to the establishment and anointing of the Millennial temple of Ezek. 40-43, which is yet to be built by Christ at His Second Advent (Zech. 6:12-13).

Not one of the six events above has been fulfilled as yet concerning Israel and Jerusalem. They must be fulfilled in the future in the 70th Week (the last seven years of this age) between the rapture and the Second Advent. They will parallel the seven-year covenant made between Antichrist and Israel (Dan. 9:27; Mt. 24:15-22). The seven-year period will be the time when all the events of Mt. 24:4-31; 25:31-46; Rev. 4:1–19:21 will be fulfilled, and when the whole seven-year tribulation will run its course. What is to happen during this Week was not revealed to Daniel in detail, but it was made known to John in Rev. 4:1–19:21. Other details were revealed by Jesus in Mt. 24:4-31; 25:31-46; Lk. 21:1-11, 25-36. This Week of years will begin after the rapture of the Church and continue to the Second Advent. The present Church Age comes in between the 69th and 70th Weeks, or between Israel’s rejection as a nation (Mt. 23:37-39; Rom. 9-11) and her conversion as a nation at the Second Advent of Christ (Isa. 66:7-8; Zech. 12:10–13:1; Rom. 11:25-29). Finis J. Dake, The Rapture and the Second Coming of Christ, (Lawrenceville, GA: Dake Publishing, Inc., 1998), WORDsearch CROSS e-book, 13.
Hi Bibleman,
In The closing statement above Rev. Dakes' quote it is said that
"not one of the six events above has been fulfilled as yet concerning Israel and Jerusalem"

If allowed I will disagree with the above statement, as all six of these attributes of JESUS' Ministry Death and Ressurection has fulfilled IN Israel and offered FIRST to Israel. And They have been fulfilled in the 70th week.

To Finish The Transgression:
Hebrews 10:12-14
12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

To Make An End Of Sins:
Hebrews 9:26
26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

To Make Reconciliation for Iniquity:
Romans 5:10
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
Hebrews 10:17
17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

To Bring In Everlasting Righteousness:
Corinthians 5:21
21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

To Seal Up The Vision And Prophecy:
Matthew 5:17
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

To Anoint The Most Holy:
Luke 4:18
18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
Acts 10:38
38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.



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Re: A breath of sound doctrine concerning Daniel's 70 Weeks

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Ray wrote:
bibleman wrote:Been a lot of UN-Scriptural comments on the board of late - so I just thought I would set the record straight.
Daniel’s 70 Weeks (Dan. 9:24-27) - The expression “70 weeks’ literally means 70 sevens of years. If days were meant it would be so expressed, as in Dan. 10:3. Daniel’s prayer, to which this vision was an answer, did not concern days, but years (Dan. 9:2). Also, we know from Scripture that the last week (Dan. 9:27) is divided into two parts of 3½ years each (Dan. 7:25; 12:7; Rev. 11:2-3; 12:5, 14; 13:5). The whole period of 490 years is marked off from all other years and concern only “thy people [Israel] and thy holy city [Jerusalem],” for which Daniel was praying (Dan. 6:10; 9:1-23). There are six prophetic events to take place during these 490 years relative to Israel and Jerusalem, for six purposes:

1. To Finish the Transgression - The Hebrew word for “transgression” here is pasha`. It means “to revolt, rebel, or sin against lawful authority.” It is often translated “transgression” (Ps. 51:13; Isa. 43:27). This transgression has reference to Israel in her rebellion against God. This prophecy foretells the culmination of that rebellion. The law was added because of transgression until the Seed should come, and it served as a schoolmaster to lead Israel to Christ (Gal. 3:17-25). Israel failed to receive their Messiah so they were broken off in unbelief from God’s favor as a nation. They will not be received again fully until the Second Coming of Christ, who will “turn ungodliness from Jacob” and cause a nation to be born again at once (Rom. 11:25-29; Isa. 66:7-10; Ezek. 36:24-30; Zech. 12:10–13:1).

2. To Make an End of Sins - Israel’s sins, if collected as concrete matter, would fill the earth. She has been in rebellion against God from her beginning and she will continue in this state until the fulfillment of this prophecy at the return of Christ. This “end of sins” will not be made until after the tribulation, but from that time on Israel will obey God forever (Ezek. 36:24-30; 37:24-27; 43:7; Zech. 14:1-21).

3. To Make Atonement for Iniquity - The Hebrew word for “iniquity” is `avon and means “perverseness, to be crooked, or wrung out of course” (1 Sam. 20:30; 2 Sam. 19:19; Job 33:33). Atonement was made on the cross for the whole world, but Israel as a nation has not yet appropriated its benefits and won’t do so until Christ’s return (Zech. 13:1-7; Rom. 11:25-27; Isa. 66:7-8).

4. To Bring in Everlasting Righteousness - When the transgression has been finished, an end of sins made, and the full benefits of the atonement will have been realized by Israel, then everlasting righteousness will be ushered in (Isa. 9:6-7; 12:1-6; Dan. 7:13-14, 18, 27; Mt. 25:31-46; Ezek. 43:7; Rom. 11:25-29).

5. To Seal up the Vision and Prophecy - This means to make an end of certain prophecies concerning Israel and Jerusalem. The word “prophecy” should be translated “prophet,” as elsewhere. It means that there will be no further need of inspired men to rebuke Israel in an attempt to lead them into the way of righteousness “for all shall know the Lord from the least unto the greatest” (Jer. 31:31-40; Isa. 11:9).

6. To Anoint the Most Holy - This refers to the cleansing of the Holy of Holies, the temple, and the city of Jerusalem from the abomination of desolation and the sacrilege of Gentiles, and to the establishment and anointing of the Millennial temple of Ezek. 40-43, which is yet to be built by Christ at His Second Advent (Zech. 6:12-13).

Not one of the six events above has been fulfilled as yet concerning Israel and Jerusalem. They must be fulfilled in the future in the 70th Week (the last seven years of this age) between the rapture and the Second Advent. They will parallel the seven-year covenant made between Antichrist and Israel (Dan. 9:27; Mt. 24:15-22). The seven-year period will be the time when all the events of Mt. 24:4-31; 25:31-46; Rev. 4:1–19:21 will be fulfilled, and when the whole seven-year tribulation will run its course. What is to happen during this Week was not revealed to Daniel in detail, but it was made known to John in Rev. 4:1–19:21. Other details were revealed by Jesus in Mt. 24:4-31; 25:31-46; Lk. 21:1-11, 25-36. This Week of years will begin after the rapture of the Church and continue to the Second Advent. The present Church Age comes in between the 69th and 70th Weeks, or between Israel’s rejection as a nation (Mt. 23:37-39; Rom. 9-11) and her conversion as a nation at the Second Advent of Christ (Isa. 66:7-8; Zech. 12:10–13:1; Rom. 11:25-29). Finis J. Dake, The Rapture and the Second Coming of Christ, (Lawrenceville, GA: Dake Publishing, Inc., 1998), WORDsearch CROSS e-book, 13.
Hi Bibleman,
In The closing statement above Rev. Dakes' quote it is said that
"not one of the six events above has been fulfilled as yet concerning Israel and Jerusalem"

If allowed I will disagree with the above statement, as all six of these attributes of JESUS' Ministry Death and Ressurection has fulfilled IN Israel and offered FIRST to Israel. And They have been fulfilled in the 70th week.

To Finish The Transgression:
Hebrews 10:12-14
12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

To Make An End Of Sins:
Hebrews 9:26
26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

To Make Reconciliation for Iniquity:
Romans 5:10
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
Hebrews 10:17
17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

To Bring In Everlasting Righteousness:
Corinthians 5:21
21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

To Seal Up The Vision And Prophecy:
Matthew 5:17
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

To Anoint The Most Holy:
Luke 4:18
18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
Acts 10:38
38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.
Hi Ray,

Of course you are welcome to disagree.

You say that ALL have been fulfilled, Well could you tell me...

If there is an "End Of Sins" then why is their still sin?


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Re: A breath of sound doctrine concerning Daniel's 70 Weeks

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bibleman wrote:
Ray wrote:
bibleman wrote:Been a lot of UN-Scriptural comments on the board of late - so I just thought I would set the record straight.
Daniel’s 70 Weeks (Dan. 9:24-27) - The expression “70 weeks’ literally means 70 sevens of years. If days were meant it would be so expressed, as in Dan. 10:3. Daniel’s prayer, to which this vision was an answer, did not concern days, but years (Dan. 9:2). Also, we know from Scripture that the last week (Dan. 9:27) is divided into two parts of 3½ years each (Dan. 7:25; 12:7; Rev. 11:2-3; 12:5, 14; 13:5). The whole period of 490 years is marked off from all other years and concern only “thy people [Israel] and thy holy city [Jerusalem],” for which Daniel was praying (Dan. 6:10; 9:1-23). There are six prophetic events to take place during these 490 years relative to Israel and Jerusalem, for six purposes:

1. To Finish the Transgression - The Hebrew word for “transgression” here is pasha`. It means “to revolt, rebel, or sin against lawful authority.” It is often translated “transgression” (Ps. 51:13; Isa. 43:27). This transgression has reference to Israel in her rebellion against God. This prophecy foretells the culmination of that rebellion. The law was added because of transgression until the Seed should come, and it served as a schoolmaster to lead Israel to Christ (Gal. 3:17-25). Israel failed to receive their Messiah so they were broken off in unbelief from God’s favor as a nation. They will not be received again fully until the Second Coming of Christ, who will “turn ungodliness from Jacob” and cause a nation to be born again at once (Rom. 11:25-29; Isa. 66:7-10; Ezek. 36:24-30; Zech. 12:10–13:1).

2. To Make an End of Sins - Israel’s sins, if collected as concrete matter, would fill the earth. She has been in rebellion against God from her beginning and she will continue in this state until the fulfillment of this prophecy at the return of Christ. This “end of sins” will not be made until after the tribulation, but from that time on Israel will obey God forever (Ezek. 36:24-30; 37:24-27; 43:7; Zech. 14:1-21).

3. To Make Atonement for Iniquity - The Hebrew word for “iniquity” is `avon and means “perverseness, to be crooked, or wrung out of course” (1 Sam. 20:30; 2 Sam. 19:19; Job 33:33). Atonement was made on the cross for the whole world, but Israel as a nation has not yet appropriated its benefits and won’t do so until Christ’s return (Zech. 13:1-7; Rom. 11:25-27; Isa. 66:7-8).

4. To Bring in Everlasting Righteousness - When the transgression has been finished, an end of sins made, and the full benefits of the atonement will have been realized by Israel, then everlasting righteousness will be ushered in (Isa. 9:6-7; 12:1-6; Dan. 7:13-14, 18, 27; Mt. 25:31-46; Ezek. 43:7; Rom. 11:25-29).

5. To Seal up the Vision and Prophecy - This means to make an end of certain prophecies concerning Israel and Jerusalem. The word “prophecy” should be translated “prophet,” as elsewhere. It means that there will be no further need of inspired men to rebuke Israel in an attempt to lead them into the way of righteousness “for all shall know the Lord from the least unto the greatest” (Jer. 31:31-40; Isa. 11:9).

6. To Anoint the Most Holy - This refers to the cleansing of the Holy of Holies, the temple, and the city of Jerusalem from the abomination of desolation and the sacrilege of Gentiles, and to the establishment and anointing of the Millennial temple of Ezek. 40-43, which is yet to be built by Christ at His Second Advent (Zech. 6:12-13).

Not one of the six events above has been fulfilled as yet concerning Israel and Jerusalem. They must be fulfilled in the future in the 70th Week (the last seven years of this age) between the rapture and the Second Advent. They will parallel the seven-year covenant made between Antichrist and Israel (Dan. 9:27; Mt. 24:15-22). The seven-year period will be the time when all the events of Mt. 24:4-31; 25:31-46; Rev. 4:1–19:21 will be fulfilled, and when the whole seven-year tribulation will run its course. What is to happen during this Week was not revealed to Daniel in detail, but it was made known to John in Rev. 4:1–19:21. Other details were revealed by Jesus in Mt. 24:4-31; 25:31-46; Lk. 21:1-11, 25-36. This Week of years will begin after the rapture of the Church and continue to the Second Advent. The present Church Age comes in between the 69th and 70th Weeks, or between Israel’s rejection as a nation (Mt. 23:37-39; Rom. 9-11) and her conversion as a nation at the Second Advent of Christ (Isa. 66:7-8; Zech. 12:10–13:1; Rom. 11:25-29). Finis J. Dake, The Rapture and the Second Coming of Christ, (Lawrenceville, GA: Dake Publishing, Inc., 1998), WORDsearch CROSS e-book, 13.
Hi Bibleman,
In The closing statement above Rev. Dakes' quote it is said that
"not one of the six events above has been fulfilled as yet concerning Israel and Jerusalem"

If allowed I will disagree with the above statement, as all six of these attributes of JESUS' Ministry Death and Ressurection has fulfilled IN Israel and offered FIRST to Israel. And They have been fulfilled in the 70th week.

To Finish The Transgression:
Hebrews 10:12-14
12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

To Make An End Of Sins:
Hebrews 9:26
26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

To Make Reconciliation for Iniquity:
Romans 5:10
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
Hebrews 10:17
17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

To Bring In Everlasting Righteousness:
Corinthians 5:21
21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

To Seal Up The Vision And Prophecy:
Matthew 5:17
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

To Anoint The Most Holy:
Luke 4:18
18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
Acts 10:38
38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.
Hi Ray,

Of course you are welcome to disagree.

You say that ALL have been fulfilled, Well could you tell me...

If there is an "End Of Sins" then why is their still sin?
Hello Bibleman,

Is The Below Scripture from the book of Hebrews The TRUTH?
Has JESUS in Fact "PUT AWAY SIN by the Sacrifice of Himself"
As I have no doubt, It is in fact the TRUTH.

To Make An End Of Sins:
Hebrews 9:26
26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to PUT AWAY SIN by the sacrifice of himself.



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Re: A breath of sound doctrine concerning Daniel's 70 Weeks

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Ray wrote:
bibleman wrote:
Ray wrote:
bibleman wrote:Been a lot of UN-Scriptural comments on the board of late - so I just thought I would set the record straight.
Daniel’s 70 Weeks (Dan. 9:24-27) - The expression “70 weeks’ literally means 70 sevens of years. If days were meant it would be so expressed, as in Dan. 10:3. Daniel’s prayer, to which this vision was an answer, did not concern days, but years (Dan. 9:2). Also, we know from Scripture that the last week (Dan. 9:27) is divided into two parts of 3½ years each (Dan. 7:25; 12:7; Rev. 11:2-3; 12:5, 14; 13:5). The whole period of 490 years is marked off from all other years and concern only “thy people [Israel] and thy holy city [Jerusalem],” for which Daniel was praying (Dan. 6:10; 9:1-23). There are six prophetic events to take place during these 490 years relative to Israel and Jerusalem, for six purposes:

1. To Finish the Transgression - The Hebrew word for “transgression” here is pasha`. It means “to revolt, rebel, or sin against lawful authority.” It is often translated “transgression” (Ps. 51:13; Isa. 43:27). This transgression has reference to Israel in her rebellion against God. This prophecy foretells the culmination of that rebellion. The law was added because of transgression until the Seed should come, and it served as a schoolmaster to lead Israel to Christ (Gal. 3:17-25). Israel failed to receive their Messiah so they were broken off in unbelief from God’s favor as a nation. They will not be received again fully until the Second Coming of Christ, who will “turn ungodliness from Jacob” and cause a nation to be born again at once (Rom. 11:25-29; Isa. 66:7-10; Ezek. 36:24-30; Zech. 12:10–13:1).

2. To Make an End of Sins - Israel’s sins, if collected as concrete matter, would fill the earth. She has been in rebellion against God from her beginning and she will continue in this state until the fulfillment of this prophecy at the return of Christ. This “end of sins” will not be made until after the tribulation, but from that time on Israel will obey God forever (Ezek. 36:24-30; 37:24-27; 43:7; Zech. 14:1-21).

3. To Make Atonement for Iniquity - The Hebrew word for “iniquity” is `avon and means “perverseness, to be crooked, or wrung out of course” (1 Sam. 20:30; 2 Sam. 19:19; Job 33:33). Atonement was made on the cross for the whole world, but Israel as a nation has not yet appropriated its benefits and won’t do so until Christ’s return (Zech. 13:1-7; Rom. 11:25-27; Isa. 66:7-8).

4. To Bring in Everlasting Righteousness - When the transgression has been finished, an end of sins made, and the full benefits of the atonement will have been realized by Israel, then everlasting righteousness will be ushered in (Isa. 9:6-7; 12:1-6; Dan. 7:13-14, 18, 27; Mt. 25:31-46; Ezek. 43:7; Rom. 11:25-29).

5. To Seal up the Vision and Prophecy - This means to make an end of certain prophecies concerning Israel and Jerusalem. The word “prophecy” should be translated “prophet,” as elsewhere. It means that there will be no further need of inspired men to rebuke Israel in an attempt to lead them into the way of righteousness “for all shall know the Lord from the least unto the greatest” (Jer. 31:31-40; Isa. 11:9).

6. To Anoint the Most Holy - This refers to the cleansing of the Holy of Holies, the temple, and the city of Jerusalem from the abomination of desolation and the sacrilege of Gentiles, and to the establishment and anointing of the Millennial temple of Ezek. 40-43, which is yet to be built by Christ at His Second Advent (Zech. 6:12-13).

Not one of the six events above has been fulfilled as yet concerning Israel and Jerusalem. They must be fulfilled in the future in the 70th Week (the last seven years of this age) between the rapture and the Second Advent. They will parallel the seven-year covenant made between Antichrist and Israel (Dan. 9:27; Mt. 24:15-22). The seven-year period will be the time when all the events of Mt. 24:4-31; 25:31-46; Rev. 4:1–19:21 will be fulfilled, and when the whole seven-year tribulation will run its course. What is to happen during this Week was not revealed to Daniel in detail, but it was made known to John in Rev. 4:1–19:21. Other details were revealed by Jesus in Mt. 24:4-31; 25:31-46; Lk. 21:1-11, 25-36. This Week of years will begin after the rapture of the Church and continue to the Second Advent. The present Church Age comes in between the 69th and 70th Weeks, or between Israel’s rejection as a nation (Mt. 23:37-39; Rom. 9-11) and her conversion as a nation at the Second Advent of Christ (Isa. 66:7-8; Zech. 12:10–13:1; Rom. 11:25-29). Finis J. Dake, The Rapture and the Second Coming of Christ, (Lawrenceville, GA: Dake Publishing, Inc., 1998), WORDsearch CROSS e-book, 13.
Hi Bibleman,
In The closing statement above Rev. Dakes' quote it is said that
"not one of the six events above has been fulfilled as yet concerning Israel and Jerusalem"

If allowed I will disagree with the above statement, as all six of these attributes of JESUS' Ministry Death and Ressurection has fulfilled IN Israel and offered FIRST to Israel. And They have been fulfilled in the 70th week.

To Finish The Transgression:
Hebrews 10:12-14
12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

To Make An End Of Sins:
Hebrews 9:26
26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

To Make Reconciliation for Iniquity:
Romans 5:10
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
Hebrews 10:17
17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

To Bring In Everlasting Righteousness:
Corinthians 5:21
21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

To Seal Up The Vision And Prophecy:
Matthew 5:17
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

To Anoint The Most Holy:
Luke 4:18
18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
Acts 10:38
38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.
Hi Ray,

Of course you are welcome to disagree.

You say that ALL have been fulfilled, Well could you tell me...

If there is an "End Of Sins" then why is their still sin?
Hello Bibleman,

Is The Below Scripture from the book of Hebrews The TRUTH?
Has JESUS in Fact "PUT AWAY SIN by the Sacrifice of Himself"
As I have no doubt, It is in fact the TRUTH.

To Make An End Of Sins:
Hebrews 9:26
26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to PUT AWAY SIN by the sacrifice of himself.
Hi Ray,

Could you please answer the question....

If there is an "End Of Sins" then why is their still sin?


God bless
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1 John 3:5
And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin



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Re: A breath of sound doctrine concerning Daniel's 70 Weeks

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Ray wrote:1 John 3:5
And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin
Hi Ray,

OK... Last chance if you can't answer the question based on your supposition that Sins have ended... Then I won't ask it anymore.

Could you please answer the question....

If there is an "End Of Sins" then why is their still sin?


God bless
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Ray

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Dolph,
Above you wrote:
" John wrote, If you confess your sin He is faithful and true to forgive you of your sins and cleanse you of all unrighteousness."

I Agree, If I am Cleansed of ALL unrighteousness, Then HE has made an end of sin in my life Through HIS shed Blood.

Just as HE has in the life of the Apostles and all in Israel who accepted HIS Sacrifice for their sins. To the Jews First then also to the Gentiles.



Ray

Re: A breath of sound doctrine concerning Daniel's 70 Weeks

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bibleman wrote:
Ray wrote:1 John 3:5
And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin
Hi Ray,

OK... Last chance if you can't answer the question based on your supposition that Sins have ended... Then I won't ask it anymore.

Could you please answer the question....

If there is an "End Of Sins" then why is their still sin?
Hi Bibleman,
I have answered as best as I can. (I believe) As Israel and also ourselves must accept what CHRIST has done in order for HIS finished work to bear fruit in our lives.
Those who have accepted JESUS Shed Blood as an atonment for ALL their sins past and present have received an "End Of Sins"

Romans 1:16
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

There could be no Salvation for any of mankind without first making an End Of one's Sins, This Salvation (Ending of Sins) was to the Jews First as the 6 attributes of JESUS 1st advent given in Daniel 9:24 was offered to Israel (Daniel's People) FIRST.



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