I only wish it was that easy. I agree the simple reading of those passages indicates Jesus is seated in heaven. However, I also can read other passages that indicate a true omnipresence of God. What I see from those here, is an "explaining away" of the simple reading of those passages in defense of God being limited to a single location.bibleman wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 9:54 amSince you are having problems at answering a simple question, let me take a stab at it.Grandfather wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 8:18 amTo answer your question directly, and I wish to do so, I need to understand the "rules" you are applying to your interpretation of scripture. More specifically, how you handle passages that are in apparent contradiction. For example, passages that say God is everywhere vs passages that say God is in a specific location. Or passages that say God has knows everything vs passages that indicate God is learning.Ironman wrote: ↑Fri Dec 03, 2021 9:32 pmIronman wrote: ↑Fri Dec 03, 2021 9:30 pm Grandfather.
When Jesus spoke of His Father He always said, my Father, our Father the Father, WHO IS IN HEAVEN. He never once said, my Father, our Father, the Father, WHO IS EVERYWHERE.
Where is Jesus now? Mark 16: 19, so then after the Lord had spoken unto them, HE WAS RECIEVED UP INTO HEAVEN, and sat on the right hand of God.
Where is Jesus sitting on the right hand of God the Father?? >IN HEAVEN< that's where. The Father, God, is not everywhere and Jesus is not sitting EVERYWHERE, beside the Father, God.
It is important for me to understand why people are predisposed to one answer, and not the other. In your particular case, tell me what justifies your position of explaining the "everywhere" passage as not really having the simple meaning of everywhere, but at the same moment, the "location" passages mean exactly that. Why is the reverse not possible?
Once you can make that robust defense, then I will answer you. I would enjoy engaging with you, but I want to fully understand the ground on which we are standing first, I don't want shifting principles to impede the discussion.
Ironman asked: here is Jesus now? Mark 16: 19, so then after the Lord had spoken unto them, HE WAS RECIEVED UP INTO HEAVEN, and sat on the right hand of God.
Leon answered: Jesus is now at the right hand of the Father in Heaven.
Ironman asked: Where is Jesus sitting on the right hand of God the Father?? >IN HEAVEN< that's where. The Father, God, is not everywhere and Jesus is not sitting EVERYWHERE, beside the Father, God.
Leon answered: Correct BOTH Jesus and the Father God are in Heaven. Their "spiritual presence" is everywhere but NOT their "spiritual body."
Now see, grandfather... that was not so hard was it?
To be fair, if one allows a reasonable "re-reading" of the passage to bring out a different perspective. (example, God's presence if everywhere due to His angels acting as his agents, or something similar) Then, why cannot a similar explanation that dismisses the specific location approach?
Let be consistent, if you are going to make some "adjustments" to the reading of one side of the text, allow differing views the same freedom on their side of the text.